Something amazing happened this week. The Bank
of England, one of the country's oldest institutions, listened to the voices of
35,000 people when it changed its plans not to feature any women on banknotes
and announced Jane Austen will appear on the next £10 note.
Things happen when institutions listen to the voices
of the people, or as in our case, its share-holders…
The issues that face The Salvation Army today
are unlike any others that previous High Councils have faced. The world is a far
far different place from the one that existed when General William Booth
started the Christian Mission. It is markedly different from the world in which
Evangeline Booth wrapped herself in the flag in front of a hissing crowd. It differs even from what it was when
Generals Gowans and Larsson were in office. And the rate of change is only accelerating.
The world today expects a level of behaviour
from leadership that is markedly different to expectations in days past;
expectations in the workplace, the marketplace, the government and in the
church. And if the behaviours do not meet the expectations, the repercussions
are inevitable. These expectations
all condense down into one simple but deep concept: accountability.
Accountability is necessary. It is fundamental.
And it has gone missing from the leadership of The Salvation Army.
It is one thing to maintain confidentiality
about certain matters. Everyone understands and respects the need for privacy
in certain personal matters. But
the secrecy and lack of transparency that has developed amongst the leadership
of The Salvation Army at all levels is troubling. Platitudes no longer work.
Blindly saluting the flag and marching forward no longer work. Silence is
unacceptable. Our officers, our
soldiers, our adherents, and our donors – they expect our leadership to be
upfront and forthright about issues. Honest answers are needed. Explanations
are expected. Where transparency lacks, distrust grows.
I want Salvationists to have far greater
involvement in the running of The Salvation Army. The present system, in which
key decisions are made in secret by a small number of people, is unsustainable
in the modern world. Most Salvationists do not understand the administrative
running of their own organisation. They know not who makes what decisions nor
the reasons why these decisions are made.
We must find ways of opening up the decision-making process if we are to
develop an informed and involved membership capable of helping The Salvation
Army to address the challenges of an information-literate world in which the
qualities of inclusion, accountability and transparency are held to be more
precious with virtually every passing day.
I will make Transparent Governance the key
target of my Generalship. I will
make the following information freely and easily available via the internet:
The Salvation Army Act 1980
The constitution of The Salvation Army
The process by which officers are promoted to
higher ranks
The workings of the High Council
The trusteeship of The Salvation Army – members,
election, responsibilities
The “cabinet” model of leadership – both internationally
and in territories.
Consistency is another area where the leadership
of The Salvation Army has not led well. Yes, we are a church, but we must also
operate with a fair and consistent set of standards for all. The policies and
procedures for one must apply to all, and where there are exceptions, they must
have documentation for the exceptions also. We all understand that there are differing
legal requirements specific to the locations where The Salvation Army operates
which may cause variations in the content and application of the policies and
procedures, but the underlying principle must be maintained. For too long,
capricious leaders have denied benefits, support and proper procedures to those
that have displeased them personally. And the underlying reason, again, is that
the accountability has not been there to keep the leadership in line. I will initiate a review of all our
policies and procedures, to ensure that they are robust enough to provide
consistent guidance and protection for operating in the modern world.
The Salvation Army consists not only of those
who would wear the red on their shoulders. It would be a mistake indeed to
think that it is only the officers who make The Salvation Army what it is. The
lack of respect shown to the soldiers, adherents, employees, volunteers and
advisory board members is becoming epidemic. No officer should mistreat,
demean, dismiss, degrade or otherwise debase any non-officer. The leadership is
accountable to take action when reports of such abuses are received. Sadly, too
many times, the leadership locks step and huddles into the red-epaulet club. A deafening silence from Territorial
and international leaders has been the response to several recent appalling
abuses, even when those abuses have been detailed to them personally.
Accountability means that when there is an issue
that must be addressed, then the leadership steps up and addresses it – not
with platitudes or well-crafted press releases that use many words to say
nothing – but with well-reasoned, scripturally-sound responses. Will all of the
stands be popular? No. In fact, many may be quite unpopular. But Christ did not
call us to be popular – He called us to be salt and light.
In order to create a culture of accountability
for the future we need forums that check power at all levels. We will introduce empowered committees
of soldiers of all ages and officers of all ranks who can provide a broader
range of views to decision makers, and show a respect for the principles of
checks and balances. The evidence
is clear that this kind of transparency leads to improvements. We will move from a culture of control
to a culture of empowerment.
To address past concerns, I will establish an
internal enquiry into standards of pastoral care within the organisation,
particularly focusing on appropriateness of pastoral response to issues of
historical abuse and other matters raised at Territorial level. We know that improvements result from
being honest and open about failures in the system, and by confronting them. I will also re-open the discussion
about introducing an Ombudsman for officers who feel they have a grievance that
is not being adequately addressed by our leadership.
And we will not be afraid to apologise. We must sadly accept the reality that The
Salvation Army has been the instrument of hurt to many many people. In recent times some Territorial
Commanders have been brave enough to apologise on behalf of The Salvation Army
to those that have been hurt. In
the wider world, other churches have apologised, even governments have
apologised. This General of The
Salvation Army will not be afraid to apologise where abuses come to light.
We must have a change to our leadership
structure; it can't continue being
based essentially on age and length of service. As many a past Commissioner and even General has commented -
if they had been given the job when they were twenty years younger they would
have had the energy and the drive to see it through. There is also a real danger that the current system is
inherently designed to self-replicate:
the only candidates who are likely to have survived the system long
enough to reach high office are those who are suited to precisely that system,
and therefore they cannot see the need to change or to modernise or to become
more accountable.
We must see a change in the style of leadership
too. We find ourselves inheriting
a situation where gradual change will no longer get the job done - a series of
dynamically led step changes is required.
That will require bravery.
Financially, the leadership must become
accountable to the soldiers and to those who donate monies and materials. This
accountability must be provided by means of external accounting and auditing
firms. No longer is our internal accounting and auditing sufficient to answer
questions. We must bring in external auditing to address our financial
accountability. It is not enough
to do the right thing, we must be seen to do the right thing.
The world is changing, and while Christ calls us
to be in the world but not of the world, we are accountable to reach the world.
And to reach the world, The Salvation Army needs to be culturally relevant. In some
areas there have been forays into relevance – most often on the technological
side of things. This is good, but it is not enough. We must learn again that,
like Jesus, we need to sit with the tax collectors and the prostitutes, the
riff-raff and the downtrodden. Not many of those people were found in the
temple. I will allow the vision to expand. We should not hold on to the icons
of our past so tightly that we cannot grasp the new.
The Salvation Army is one of the most heavily
centrally-influenced churches in the world, but it is to our detriment that
people all over the world feel the need to imitate what are essentially English
Victorian musical styles. Music is
one of the key media we utilise, both in our worship and our evangelism, but it
should not be the only one, and it should be set free from the shackles of the
past. Mission should come before
music. The Music Ministries Unit
at UK THQ is no longer fit for purpose, they have failed to provide a lead in
engaging with modern musicians and musical styles, and have effectively strangled
most other art forms. As it
appears that many Territories around the world take a lead from UK music, I
will abolish the Music Ministries Unit and replace it with a Creative Arts
Dept, as already exists in Australia, with a clear mandate to embrace and
support all arts in the service of the Gospel. Furthermore, these arts should embrace local diversity and
culture wherever possible, to empower our soldiery to communicate with their
peers in the manner Frederick Booth-Tucker adopted when he landed in India.
We must regain our "whosoever"
identity. At the moment we sing it
but we don't enact it. We have managed
to make ourselves so exclusive, over so many decades, that we don't even notice
we're doing it. We have found all
kinds of ways of making it impossible for people to "belong". We discriminate against people on the
basis of membership, gender, sexuality, clothing (uniform), the type of music
they prefer, and all manner of other unimportant issues. We've even developed our own language
(terminology) to help us exclude the uninitiated. John Gowans wrote "You've got to conform to belong,
we've all got to sing the same song" to illustrate the conflict in the
musical Hosea, but we seem to have made it become reality. We must return immediately to being the
church that truly welcomes all and can find a place for everyone. And yes that does mean addressing the
LGBT issue directly. We must once
again become the inclusive church.
As you seek God’s guidance and direction, you
are individually accountable to ask the hard questions, those that get to the
true character of the next General. We need a leader who has the utmost
integrity and who has the bravery to take on these massive challenges. We will only be as good as our
leadership. And if our leadership fails us, then The Salvation Army will soon
cease to exist as the powerful force for God and for good that it once was.
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"We worship a God who cannot be deleted or edited out of our corporate consciousness. He is not a God who needs an invitation but a God who is unrelenting in his efforts to win his creation and redeem his people. As a mystic once wrote, ‘We worship a God who is constantly lapping at the shores of people’s lives.’ Like the tides of the oceans, our God breaks over our secular shores and revisits his image-laden creation. In the same way that the iron curtain proved porous to the Spirit of God, the cultural barriers of the post-Christian West cannot hold back the One who creates and sustains all things." (Phil Wall) UKTI
WHAT IS THE HIGH COUNCIL? SA INT'L HQ
// 26 JULY 2013 //
An important point to note is that High Council members do not represent their commands or appointments, or even their countries of origin. So the territorial commanders from Zambia, Japan or Brazil, for instance, do not attend the High Council on behalf of Zambian, Japanese or Brazilian Salvationists. Each member is called upon to use discernment in understanding the will of God in making their choice.
The law requires that the High Council is held in the UK, although it does not specify where. This year's High Council will be held at the gathering's third host venue – the Renaissance Hotel, Heathrow, to the west of London.
A common misconception is that the High Council includes discussion about faith issues or even Salvation Army protocols and happenings. This is not the case. The High Council meets for one purpose only – to prayerfully choose the next world leader of The Salvation Army.
The basics of the High Council are embedded in law but each gathering has a large degree of procedural freedom…. In theory, any Salvation Army officer can be nominated, but the reality is that all those with the requisite experience of leadership and ministry will already be members of the High Council.
What usually follows is that a set of questions is put together by a questions committee. This one set of questions is given to everyone that has accepted the nomination to stand for election (and, where appropriate, questions are also submitted to nominees' spouses). The nominees prepare written responses which are then shared with the entire High Council.
The final voting is by secret ballot, with more than a two-thirds majority needed to win the election, unless it goes to a fourth vote, and subsequent votes if necessary where a majority will be enough. After each round, the nominee with the lowest number of votes drops out.
From this new venue, made sacred for a handful of days, will emerge God's choice to lead his Salvation Army in the years to come.
LONDON
An excellent Manifesto which is just what is required!
In the USA, The National Salvation Army is rated as follows:
http://www.bbb.org/charity-reviews/national/religious/salvation-army-national-corporation-in-alexandria-va-1221
and for UKTI:
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/SIR/ENDS79/0000214779_SIR_20120331_E.PDF
Andrew, are you still a Salvationist or have you become a Baptist? ( If I remember well?)
Hope you and Kate are well..
Here, Lord, I yield thee the whole of my heart,
Victory for me, victory for me;
From all that hinders at last I will part,
Victory for me, victory for me.
Called to thy service, I gladly obey,
Humbly my all at thy feet now I lay,
Trusting and fighting till life’s latest day;
Victory for me, victory for me.
A prayer like this, made sincerely from the heart, cannot leave you unchanged, for all the blessings described in verses 3 and 4 (‘cleansed’, ‘held’, ‘filled’, etc.) belong to you.
From Helen Clifton
Heart to Heart
Dear London,
Thank you so much for copying part of the information from IHQ regarding a "common misconception". May I suggest that anyone who hasn't already done so reads todays armybarmyblog to discover why this is only TECHNICALLY correct.
Someone has been economical with the truth, I feel.
What happened to the Helen Clifton article? It's disappeared.
Helen Clifton's article plus one other from her book Heart to Heart are scheduled for Monday and Tuesday- Mai suggest you purchase a handful of her book and use as birthday gifts, and two handfuls for Christmas and a few handfuls for carrying around presents for when needed.
The book is a treasury of stories-meditations and readings that will serve in both public and private times of reflection.
Wow - abolish the Music Ministries Unit? - Yesssss! Have you ever tried to find music on their website? Practically impossible. And there is no music to download, as on other music sites. TSA's missed a fundraising trick there - they could have charged per copy, like i-Tunes. And when you enquire and dare to criticise, they are so defensive, but are not even willing to change their mindset. Let's face it - most of us who access their site are only looking for music to help with leading worship, and it is such a closed shop that's it's embarrassing. We are forced to look elsewhere, where Christian music is easily accessible.They are more concerned with copyright than they are with spreading the gospel through music. (Most corps have CCLI licences anyway). People have written the music to glorify God, but most people don't get to hear about it because it's not available. It truly is not fit for purpose in this generation.
So - the general who is brave enough to do away with this white elephant will have my support - as long as he/she has integrity to face the other challenges, of course!
Nothing to do with any General or IHQ - its a local THQ matter!
THQ? End of, then - too incestuous to even bother! As long as other sources of music are available to us, MMU will just sign its own death warrant. Songsters are singing outside music, corps are increasingly using music publication such as The Source, Spring Harvest etc to use in Army meetings - even at divisional level - and you can't view any music from the MMU on the internet - the music produced is largely unsingable by any modern Songster Brigade with only an average pianist, the youth songs don't reflect the changing times, the band music has its extremes - the publications are too expensive for what you can use out of them - the website itself is out of touch - I could go on, but I won't. Not impressed at all, but I fear this little moan is a digression from the main point on here, so I do apologise. For a while I thought there was at least some light at the end of the tunnel!
It beggars belief! At our corps there still hasn't even been a prayer said for the High Council like its not even happening - yet I've just read a blog of the first 3 days by Commissioner Jeffrey online. (Address courtesy of armybarmyblog)
How relevant is the holding of a HC and election of a new international leader for the world-wide SA average grass roots corps/ church anywhere in the world?
I would say that most people are just not too interested and get on with their lives at local level just as before.
It's all part of the secret squirrel mentality. The HC wasn't mentioned in my corps until last week, and that was because I brought it up myself. TSA seems to be sleepwalking through many issues without any awareness or prayer on major issues. We cannot pray if we are not told of things to pray for.
In Salvationist this week there are lovely colour photos of each member of the HC, but no other details apart from their dates of birth. We are asked to pray for them - how? We don't even know who they are - a colour photo does not give us any indication.
Interesting to see Commissioner Jeffery's article on armybarmyblog - how they will discuss those issues without HH coming up escapes me - here's hoping they do.
Major Jane Kimberley's editorial in Salvationist was fascinating - I would imagine she's a safe pair of hands for TSA - but under the guise of 'new leaders' she mentioned the Pope. She said '.he has made strong pronouncements on all sorts of subjects. Clearly he is a man with a heart for the poor.......he called upon global leaders to defend the poor and weak. He warned about the cult of money that brings misery to millions and the culture of waste as 'stealing from the table of the poor and hungry'.
Any chance he could come to TSA? We need someone outspoken with the authority to stamp out the ineffectual leadership TSA has had for a number of years - to root out those who would stand by and let weak, sick, helpless people fend for themselves - those who have withdrawn essential support for the vulnerable and have wasted excessive amounts of money and resources in order to defend reputations.
'How relevant is the holding of a HC....?' - I'd say if the soldiery were aware of it and it was made a focus on meetings it would be very relevant indeed. We need a General who will put the needs of humanity first, far above the big business bedfellows who are dictating army policy at the moment. God will honour that. But not much makes headline news in TSA these days, I'm afraid. A line or two from a well known Army song says 'But how will they know if the preacher forbear, or lack in compassionate zeal?'
If we are not informed, how will we learn, especially in the secret society of the upper echelons of TSA. Very sad.
When the Corps Officer was asked this am why no mention of the HC he apologised - 'Sorry -I intended to mention it but I forgot.'
Just read Comm Jeffrey's blog. Probably of necessity it is very general - but they seem to have discussed tribalism and nepotism, finances for international army and corruption. Depending on what was said, any or all of these discussions could be a step in the right direction.
Re. The fact you do not know the HC member so cannot pray for them. God knows.
Thank you for this excellent suggestion - if only a new General could accept such a mandate. As a retired officer who has served in many capacities but was always at heart a Corps officer believing that being a good pastor was my most important role I share the sentiments of Pope Francis and pray for a true leader who cares for the flock - our beloved Army which needs to change so dramatically to serve the present age. I hope that a copy of this Manifesto has been sent to all members of the HC and pray for a nominee courageous enough to embrace it.
To the person who said 'Re. The fact you do not know the HC member so cannot pray for them. God knows'. I know God knows them, but it would help to have a personal profile to attach to the person - to personalise the face and the date of birth. Seems a bit clinical is what I meant, and lacking in effort.
Yes, I am a former SA Officer from the Canadian Territory.
Praise God for whoever wrote the Manifest of Nomiee for General. Accountability! and how we lack that in The Salvation Aumy today! From where I stand I can see that our officers are accountable to no one. They do their own thing, how and when they want to do it and our leaders turn a blind eye. What would happen to them if they were in the private sector and behave the way they do as officers? You know as well as I do - they would be out the door.
Yes, there is no respect for those who give freely of their time for the cause of Christ.
Some of leaders have made very bad mistakes over the years and we are still suffering in our Terrority as a result. I personally confronted one of them on a decision that was made and I knew it was a bad one. I said what would happen as a result but it fell on deaf ears. Sure enough what I said would happen did. Sadly, we are still suffering and it's not going to get any better in the foreseeable future.
We have people in our corps' who are more experienced and more knowledgeable than some of our officers, yet their imput is ignored.
Until we are willing to work together for the betterment of the kingdon and the army, putting aside our differences and act as God would have us, then nothing is going to change or be any better than it is today.
As soldiers we need to band together and let our higher ups know that we are not going to put up with it any longer. We all will have to give an account to God someday of what we have done here on earth. Will He say "Well done thou good and faithful servant or will He say "Depart I never knew you." God help us.!
Yes - it comes to something when you have to access armybarmyblog to find an account of proceedings at the HC and look at other non-Army sites on the web to find the truth about SA activities. If there is no truth in the rumours, why is the Zimbabwe SA site no longer viewable? And why are there so many 'inconsistencies' in the statements coming out of THQ? There is no place for ostrich-like attitudes in a church of God. If other denominations - Anglicans, Catholics to name a couple - can be open and honest about their shortcomings, why can't TSA? There is a phrase on these threads that is becoming very popular, and it's one TSA should take note of - 'it beggars belief'.
These days, they no longer have an acquiescent soldiership who will just put up and shut up.
Today's generation of salvationists are more educated, more open and honest, more questioning than those who have gone before, and we want honesty, truth and transparency from our leaders - and more importantly, contrite hearts who are not afraid to acknowledge shortcomings - previously known as 'sin'.
Yes, it will be shocking to some at the outset, especially as the HH episode has shown a complete lack of compassion for the weak and vulnerable, and has displayed weakness and ineffectual leadership on a scale that is diametrically opposed to the heart of the gospel and to the principles of TSA, but at least if it happens the wound will be lanced, instead of festering all the time. What is happening now is that more and more of grassroots members are learning about this by the back door and just watching in amazement that our leaders should be acting in this way. It is cowardice in its purest form, hiding behind a blanket of silence hoping it's all going to go away. It isn't.
The bible says ‘a house divided against itself will fall’.
I pray that godly wisdom will prevail in this, and that our leaders will return to the Lord instead of trusting in their own wisdom, which clearly is lacking.
UK Soldier
It is encouraging to see that internationally the soldiery are beginning to make their voice heard instead of blindly accepting leadership heather it is adequate or not. Has someone the skills and ability to set up a SA SOLDIERS WEBSITE?
I prefer that officers and lay soldiers converse on the same site. Enough of this dichotomy between lay and officer soldiers.
Notably IHQ has a disscussion forum but it is totally censored and Kevin Sims, the moderator would not allow the the HH/Thistle debacle to even be mentioned. Canadians tried last summer to post about it and their postings were consistently removed.
I take the point about the soldiers website, as well as the reply. It is good to have a mix of comments from all levels of service. This is, though, a site formed by 'former officers', so we who have never been officers, let alone 'formers' are, in a sense, usurpers!
My fear is that once the high council has elected a new general, and nothing is done about this, how CAN we get around the blanket censorship there is about these tragic events?
I have saved all the threads on this subject, but it would be a greater tragedy if it all comes to nothing in the end.
Does the official IHQ Forum stance really surprise you? Any professionally managed, reputable organisation would do exactly the same on their official website. It is their prerogative as it would sure lead to malicious slander and hijacking...just as what happens on blogs such as these....the owner retains the right to censor and quite rightly so!
Hello. To the person who said 'Any professionally managed, reputable organisation would do exactly the same on their official website' I would say that any professionally managed, reputable organisation would not give out conflicting reports on its official website either, especially not a Christian site.
If you tread all the official IHQ statements about the HH situation chronologically you will find discrepancies. That is a fact. This is meant to be a Christian organisation advising its members of the truth about a situation that is callous and abhorrent in its repercussions for many weak and vulnerable people.
Why are there discrepancies from TSA if it is the truth? Truth is absolute - something is either true or it's not.
I speak as someone who has loved this organisation and served in it for most of my life. I have laboured lovingly for it, because I believed that in doing so I was serving the Lord.
I have to say, though, that I no longer view it with the rose-coloured spectacles of the past, I am hugely disappointed in the leadership, and I am now a member of a growing number of 'foot soldiers' who require more spiritual leadership from the leaders - leaders who would do what Jesus would do.
Sorry - typo - 'tread' should be 'read'.
What conflicting reports (on HH?) have appeared on the official IHQ website? I must have missed these Can you please point me to them?
Who says that 'truth' is always absolute, always either true or not - always either white or black?
Usually on black and white thinkers......'never a shade of grey' - that would be a nasty compromise of truth. Appearance can be extremely deceptive at times.
The absolute in the term connotes one or more of: a quality of truth that cannot be exceeded, complete truth, unvarying and permanent truth.
This of course can be contrasted to relative truth or truth in a more ordinary sense in which a degree of relativity is implied.
"There exists no absolute truth" is absolutely true. The statement is self-contradictory, so its negation, "There exists an absolute truth," is true.
It would be rather naïve and unrealistic to think that we have we heard the 'absolute truth' about the sorry HH saga just because there have been some excellent yet also some , lets be kind, very mediocre contributions made on this blog.
It serves us well to be very careful and truthful in arriving at an opinion by applying relativity and a good dose of common sense before making any judgment about anyone or anything that involves intrinsic policy decision making or taking on a world-wide scale.
I do hope you've convinced yourself about the meaning of truth - you lost me, I'm afraid. I was taught 'truth' simply by my godly parents - it's a lot easier than trying to weigh up every circumstance and question its veracity by stages.
The conflicting IHQ reports about their plans for HH and the varying statements about the medical personnel promised since the Thistles' departure have appeared with consistency in many of these blogs. They are also available on the Internet, which is where I saw them (I didn't just take for granted what I read here - I didn't think that would be fair to IHQ before forming an opinion). Just type in Howard hospital and IHQ and you will be able to judge for yourself. You will have to look at the dates of the statements, examine their content and judge whether they have been fulfilled. I would be amazed if, with your powers of reasoning, relativity and common sense, you could not see any inconsistencies.
A comprehensive timeline report on the HH debacle will be posted later this week. We are doing our utmost to present a factual representation of the events that led to Captain (Dr.) Paul Thistle's dismissal.
Our research, based primarily on first hand accounts, from people on the ground, differs substantially from the statements issued by IHQ and THQ Canada.
Thank you, Sven. The most glaring inconsistency for me was the statement by Dean Pallant (if I remember it correctly) that the Thistles' departure had been planned for 2 years prior to them being told to leave, and yet there was still no replacement at the time they were forcibly and suddenly evicted, leaving thousands of vulnerable people to fend for themselves. That, for me, was inexcusable. May God bless you as you ferret out the facts from the 'smoke and mirrors'.
The leaders have no shame.
UK Soldier
Come on...please let us know who is the new General. We need to get ready to welcome him/her. That is how we can please our TC and get the contracts.
In suggesting a SA SOLDIERS WEBSITE and take the point that it should be open to all 'ranks'. I am a retired officer now but am a soldier as is every other officer of any rank and my thought is that everyone should approach discussion on the basis of being a soldier. No distinctions even envisaged - rank means nothing when seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit. God bless every soldier ((including recruits adherents and all who regard the SA as their church) .
Having been interested in this for a while now, i have seen the value of full and frank discussion, and I do believe some of the comments made by the soldiery could teach the leaders something of what they purport to be. Having failed to lead by example over the HH issue (and how many other issues that we have not been told about) TSA leaders need to be lobbied into introducing major change to TSA and into becoming more transparent.
I have written previously on this site that the soldiery are no longer people who blindly accept leadership without accountability.
WE NEED TO CHANGE! In oh, so many ways.
We need a discussion forum to try to initiate this change from within. If we speak loudly enough, maybe the leaders will listen and will agree to change, before the situation deteriorates further and the criticism comes from outside the organisation.
Well done to those who have drawn our attention to the HH issue - it's certainly opened my eyes.
UK Soldier
"Come on...please let us know who is the new General. We need to get ready to welcome him/her. That is how we can please our TC and get the contracts"
The baseball bat needing some practice again?
Don't do baseball. Can anyone translate the previous comment? (Comparisons with tennis or cricket welcome!)
Cricket bat would have the same effect?
I have no idea what the baseball bat and cricket bat writers mean, I'm sorry. If you would say what you meant in plain language it would help those of us who can't work out the meaning of your comments.
Thank you in anticipation.
may be someone wants to hit the guy who made the initial comment with a baseball or cricket bat.True soldier!
What is the expenditure of the High Council? Any idea?
-a poor soldier from India
Dear Lord! so far you have selected generals from the developed countries.When will you choose a general from a Developing country,which constitute 84% of the soldiers population?
John Murray
India South Eastern Territory
The Salvation Army does not belong to the Booth family," Founder told his soldiers plainly. "It belongs to The Salvation Army. So long as the Booth family are good Salvationists, and worthy of commands, they shall have them, but only if they are. I am not the 'General' of the family; I am the General of The Salvation Army.
The present Salvation Army belongs to whom?
India South Eastern Territory
John Murray, many of the Booths were capable and able, others were not. Some still got the commands they did not deserve nor could handle. It was the Booth empire from the word 'go' in order to protect it from those who would have taken it from WB and gone their own way. Schism have happened a number of times in the history of the SA - USA, Sweden and the Netherlands come to mind immediately
We reap what we sow. if TSA is rotten at its core, then God will no longer use it unless there is great repentance and contrition. This HH issue is beyond description - TSA has really plumbed the depths with this.
"Guard your thoughts they become your actions"
I hope so. I think of a time when the Howard hospital is restored to its former state, where the Chiweshe people once again have a talented and dedicated surgeon to care for them and improve their health and wellbeing. I think of a time when the volunteer programme is reinstated and people are given the drugs they need to survive. I think of a time when TSA admits that mistakes were made, and I think of a time when they apologise and try in some measure to make reparation for this reprehensible matter. These are the thoughts I guard - I sincerely hope they will translate into actions.
I just wonder why people pass anonymous comments. Who are you afraid of? Are you afraid of the Salvation Army? Are they not practicing love of God? Is there any form of threat in their “Go for Soul” mission? Bible says “fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” Mathew 10:28.
Congrats General Andre Cox. Please be the soldiers' leader. Not the officers.
This is a former officers website - I don't blame people for being anonymous. Some of them have been hurt beyond measure by the actions and words of those win TSA who profess to be Christ's ambassadors.
No - it isn't all happy-clappy and joyful in TSA. The spiritual life isn't like that. It's full of disappointments - in people and in this organisation, who have been nothing less than cruel in their treatment of some of their officers.
It IS quite conspiratorial - I'm sure that IHQ access this site from time to time - to see names on there would suit them, if this sorry debacle of the Thistles is anything to go by.
The anonymity choice has, I believe, enabled all of us to speak our minds, whereas we wouldn't have if names had to be given.
Founder named us SOLDIERS. But in the Salvation Army we are afraid to show even our identity. Only cowards hide their identity.
Not much fighting going on for soldiers in TSA these days.
No rallying sermons
Not much doctrinal teaching
Not a lot of 'outside' activity - open air meetings have all but dried up
Not a lot of commitment really - soldiers turning up when they like - if they like - many corps reducing their corps programmes and desperately introducing faddy schemes to try to stop the rot.
I do hope General Cox will address this decline.
And why are you so obsessed with identity? Surely the content of the writing is more important than who wrote it? If you knew the writer it might just colour your judgement.
Obsessed with identity is better than obsessed with non-identity i believe.
I don't believe any of us are 'obsessed with 'non-identity' - we just accept it gladly.
And these 'peripherals' do detract from the main theme of the current subject. Maybe that suits you, I don't know. I prefer to focus on the context, and hope and pray for a 'positive outcome' as they call it in this postmodern secular society.
Now that we know the name of the new General, cannot a petition be mounted, requiring him to institute a full public enquiry about the HH situation. Such an enquiry should be led by a reliable non-officer Salvationist, possibly with legal experience and consist of soldiers, donors, officers wit missionary experience and some of those involved in this situation. The General should be asked to authorise the calling of anyone involved in this situation, so that all the facts can be recorded, fairly assessed, and a report prepared for the General as to the necessary remedies which need to be taken.
Such a petition could be signed by the thousands of concerned people who have already linked in to this website. No-one should be afraid of adding their name to a petition for justice and transparency.
That's an excellent idea.
Could someone explain why high council members of developing (3rd world/under developed) countries rush to greet the general elect with expensive shawls and garlands (which was kept ready on hand) and keen show their faces to cameras? It's really not sure whether the developed country HC members are giggling or really appreciating while this act is going on. Funny!
After reading the manifesto for the new General, I pray that he will be actually doing what this manifesto purports to say. I have been away from the Army for a long time because of things that DHQ officers did & said to my hubby & I. THQ officers did nothing about it, not even sure if they even knew about it. I will continue to pray that what is proposed in the manifesto will truly happen but I will also take a "will see" attitude. God is good all the time!!
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