Saturday, August 1, 2009

They are leaving the family


From The Times
July 15, 2009
The Americans know this will end in schism
Support by US Episcopalians for homosexual clergy is contrary to Anglican faith and tradition. They are leaving the family
Tom Wright

In the slow-moving train crash of international Anglicanism, a decision taken in California has finally brought a large coach off the rails altogether. The House of Bishops of the Episcopal Church (TEC) in the United States has voted decisively to allow in principle the appointment, to all orders of ministry, of persons in active same-sex relationships. This marks a clear break with the rest of the Anglican Communion.

Both the bishops and deputies (lay and clergy) of TEC knew exactly what they were doing. They were telling the Archbishop of Canterbury and the other “instruments of communion” that they were ignoring their plea for a moratorium on consecrating practising homosexuals as bishops. They were rejecting the two things the Archbishop of Canterbury has named as the pathway to the future — the Windsor Report (2004) and the proposed Covenant (whose aim is to provide a modus operandi for the Anglican Communion). They were formalising the schism they initiated six years ago when they consecrated as bishop a divorced man in an active same-sex relationship, against the Primates’ unanimous statement that this would “tear the fabric of the Communion at its deepest level”. In Windsor’s language, they have chosen to “walk apart”.

Granted, the TEC resolution indicates a strong willingness to remain within the Anglican Communion. But saying “we want to stay in, but we insist on rewriting the rules” is cynical double-think. We should not be fooled.

Of course, matters didn’t begin with the consecration of Gene Robinson. The floodgates opened several years before, particularly in 1996 when a church court acquitted a bishop who had ordained active homosexuals. Many in TEC have long embraced a theology in which chastity, as universally understood by the wider Christian tradition, has been optional.

That wider tradition always was counter-cultural as well as counter-intuitive. Our supposedly selfish genes crave a variety of sexual possibilities. But Jewish, Christian and Muslim teachers have always insisted that lifelong man-plus-woman marriage is the proper context for sexual intercourse. This is not (as is frequently suggested) an arbitrary rule, dualistic in overtone and killjoy in intention. It is a deep structural reflection of the belief in a creator God who has entered into covenant both with his creation and with his people (who carry forward his purposes for that creation).

Paganism ancient and modern has always found this ethic, and this belief, ridiculous and incredible. But the biblical witness is scarcely confined, as the shrill leader in yesterday’s Times suggests, to a few verses in St Paul. Jesus’s own stern denunciation of sexual immorality would certainly have carried, to his hearers, a clear implied rejection of all sexual behaviour outside heterosexual monogamy. This isn’t a matter of “private response to Scripture” but of the uniform teaching of the whole Bible, of Jesus himself, and of the entire Christian tradition.

The appeal to justice as a way of cutting the ethical knot in favour of including active homosexuals in Christian ministry simply begs the question. Nobody has a right to be ordained: it is always a gift of sheer and unmerited grace. The appeal also seriously misrepresents the notion of justice itself, not just in the Christian tradition of Augustine, Aquinas and others, but in the wider philosophical discussion from Aristotle to John Rawls. Justice never means “treating everybody the same way”, but “treating people appropriately”, which involves making distinctions between different people and situations. Justice has never meant “the right to give active expression to any and every sexual desire”.

Such a novel usage would also raise the further question of identity. It is a very recent innovation to consider sexual preferences as a marker of “identity” parallel to, say, being male or female, English or African, rich or poor. Within the “gay community” much postmodern reflection has turned away from “identity” as a modernist fiction. We simply “construct” ourselves from day to day.

We must insist, too, on the distinction between inclination and desire on the one hand and activity on the other — a distinction regularly obscured by references to “homosexual clergy” and so on. We all have all kinds of deep-rooted inclinations and desires. The question is, what shall we do with them? One of the great Prayer Book collects asks God that we may “love the thing which thou commandest, and desire that which thou dost promise”. That is always tough, for all of us. Much easier to ask God to command what we already love, and promise what we already desire. But much less like the challenge of the Gospel.

The question then presses: who, in the US, is now in communion with the great majority of the Anglican world? It would be too hasty to answer, the newly formed “province” of the “Anglican Church in North America”. One can sympathise with some of the motivations of these breakaway Episcopalians. But we should not forget the Episcopalian bishops, who, doggedly loyal to their own Church, and to the expressed mind of the wider Communion, voted against the current resolution. Nor should we forget the many parishes and worshippers who take the same stance. There are many American Episcopalians, inside and outside the present TEC, who are eager to sign the proposed Covenant. That aspiration must be honoured.

Contrary to some who have recently adopted the phrase, there is already a “fellowship of confessing Anglicans”. It is called the Anglican Communion. The Episcopal Church is now distancing itself from that fellowship. Ways must be found for all in America who want to be loyal to it, and to scripture, tradition and Jesus, to have that loyalty recognised and affirmed at the highest level.

Tom Wright is Bishop of Durham UK

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

What a mess.

I wonder, does all of this contribute to the down fall of family life too?

Can you imagine a Corps lovingly accepting an Officer who was in an open gay relationship? Or a Division with a gay DC. Should they be lovingly accepted and free to be themselves in ministry?

Former USA EAST

'Fletch' said...

....or is this just shades of the Methodist New Connexion? Different time, different catalyst, same outcome for the Anglicans. We need to be careful that we who live in Glass Houses don't throw to many big stones. I still think that the Gospel is for the 'whosoever', and I am not too keen to get involved in this mess, but I am keen to show love and compassion to all of God's children, whatever the label that we 'cleverly enlightened' believers put on them.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree, what a mess. But do we not know where confusion comes from? Should we be surprised
at the problems that our friends in other denominations are having during these times?Mankind has a sinful nature and left unchecked , unchalenged and undiscipled you throw discipline right out the window. Maybe John The Baptist should have kept his mouth shut and we could go to "The Church Of Do What You Want To", a Universalist Church.Anything goes , do not offend and everyone will live at peace with Allah, God , or The Higher Power of choice.

Former USA East

Anonymous said...

Justice never means “treating everybody the same way”, but “treating people appropriately”, which involves making distinctions between different people and situations. Justice has never meant “the right to give active expression to any and every sexual desire”.

The question that forces itself to be answered then is: are those of us who can't quite see banning homosexual relationships/unions, as accepting in blessing active gay clergy ? What follows ? Do I want my children/grandchildren believing that same sex unions are acceptable and ought to be explored and experienced ? Does support of the Episcopalian position require an honest reappraisal of the Army's position; do I speak up for a like-minded position ? Where does one draw the line ?

Active UK
IHQ

Anonymous said...

THE US PRESBYTERIANS CHIME IN... (TIME MAGAZINE REPORT)

"With typical Presbyterian thoroughness, they prepared a 198-page report that examines psychological data, social currents and especially the 13 Bible passages that deal with homosexuality.

The task force reached an agreement that secular society should forbid job discrimination against homosexuals and repeal laws that regulate the private sexual behavior of consenting adults. It urges the church to work against "homophobia," the fear and loathing of homosexuals. But agreement only went so far. A conservative minority, consisting of Lovelace and two other theologians, an expert in ethics and a local pastor, filed a 19-page report. It urges the forthcoming General Assembly to interpret the church constitution as banning practicing homosexuals from the clergy and the lay offices of elder and deacon, though accepting homosexuals who remain celibate."

Former
USA East

Bob Deidrick said...

One point that I would make is this ... If you throw out the Bible and the Hebrew and Greek languages that it was written in, you will then find chaos , deviate behavior, addictive lifestyle , and unrepentant people forcing you to live in a society without godly choices because the truth will be absent. The Bible is offensive to those that disagree with a Holy God. Find a way to discredit the Bible and you can have a world to do whatever you feel like doing.

Isn't is interesting that this whole topic is strongly related to sexual behavior ? Someone told me years ago that whatever happens behind closed doors is nobodys business. We generaly would agree with that statement however children are molested behind closed doors. Where will it all end and what will be the measuring rod or "rule" ? I think the demons and the devil are having a big party. That is if you believe in such characters.

FORMER SALVATION ARMY OFFICERS FELLOWSHIP said...

May it be so that we, The SA, come to our senses and retreat from that eternally slippery slope named "feels good" to the steady place we know called the 'solid rock' and from there, explore human sexuality from our unique perspective.

I believe we have enough intellectuals and theologians, straights and gays, in our SA makeup to tackle this topic on our own. Let's face it, the subject of gays is not going away any time soon, or ever... They're part of the family now and no doubt will be in heaven as well. It's time we meet in Christ's name and presence to explore all God's created beings in love and acceptance... can't do anything but bring a greater understanding and Kingdom growth.

Former
USA East, Sweden, Russia, Ukraine - active soldier; Exeter Temple, UKT

Anonymous said...

Sven - you've shown again why God made you our spokesperson, at least for now. Makes good sense to me.

former
USA

Bob Deidrick said...

Sven,

I appreciate your opinion and in many ways agree in principle with what you have written about gays but I have one big disagreement. You stated that gays are part of the family and no doubt will be in heaven as well. That is a very bold statement to make. I try to wonder what you really meant. I am sure you meant born-again individuals that no longer practice this sin. Having feelings and being confused is one thing but practicing sin and flaunting it is another issue that the Bible condemns.Are you ignoring scripture
concerning this subject ? We can agree that we have one judge ,Christ Jesus who will judge everyone one day. In the meantime do we move along with itching ears and at every new whim and a new age of thinking ? Is the Bible outdated and unreliable? Oh , and interpretation, how will we use that as a factor to defend permissiveness ?

I hope that I am not misunderstood on this issue. I am not a gay basher or hater of anyone. I have shared a couple personal stories on here in the past about my love for all people regardless of their lifestyle.

Love and acceptance, you bet. But you and I are not the final judge
on this issue. That is why He is God , and we are not. He will decide who will enter His abode for He knows the heart and soul of man. God has shared His views in part by His Word.

Thank you , Sven that we can share in this manner.

Former USA East

Anonymous said...

I don't propose to speak for Sven, but I don't read anywhere that he suggests sinners will be welcome to, or found in heaven. I hear him call all in heaven a family, a family of repentant sinners saved by Grace. Reading Sven's articles and comments over the last two years suggests not that he is a modern day liberal but rather a modern day thinker with an old time wisdom to not judge, and when judgment is warranted, to do so with an overwhelming load of understanding and forgiveness.

I for one wish he'd be more outspoken with regard to the many in this forum and on our FB site who can't help themselves but to lambast The Army and our leaders. Maybe he's saving his words for those who have ears ?! Fletch was right - get a life and move on !

former officer
US Eastern Territory

'Fletch' said...

My former wife had some excellent sayings that will stay with me forever, one was "When we get to heaven we could be surprised at who we will meet there, and possibly not suprised who we don't.

Roll on that great day, but lets start it now by leaving these decisions to the One who already knows the answer.

FORMER SALVATION ARMY OFFICERS FELLOWSHIP said...

General Jarl Wahlstrom said in a sermon when visiting our corps in NY; There will be two great surprises in heaven... 1. That we ourselves arrived there. 2. The many who come to us and say; "without your loving kindness (through word or deed) I would not be here today".

Having served among New York's homeless, Sweden's alcoholics, Russia's prostitutes and witnessed to The SA's gays, I can only hope and pray that some will have a kind word. I know that I, a sinner saved by grace, will have many to whom I must turn when entering heaven and to thank for caring about my soul's salvation.

Bob Deidrick said...

I think much could be read into what all of us are attempting to say. I like a face to face with people. I can share with modulation and emphasis on certain things. Facial expression, a handshake ,a hug , various forms of expression. I am more of a personal contact person than a writer. Too bad. Some of you I may never meet until we greet on the other side.

I will say that I never mentioned Sven as being liberal. I think he shows more grace than anyone on this blog. I am somewhat offended by the statement that I should get a life and move on. I do not address anyone here in that way.
Anonymous you were unkind. To you,
I hope that you are blessed and prosper.

Some of the sharing by formers was to share experiences and send a message of how they were treated and how they felt. Some of the issues dealt with leadership at various levels. If you stifle all of this particularly from "new' formers you degrade one of the reasons why this type of forum was started.

Probably my only gripe , Sven is that often folk will respond in a less than friendly way to someones explanation and sign at the end of their writing " Anonymous ". I have no issue in some instances if someone needs to hide their identity.

Sven and Fletch , I respect you guys and your opinions and I agree with more than you will ever know.
To spur thinking and to share without spite is a wonderful way to communicate. I will miss that with you .

As is suggested, I am moving on and will miss the fellowship here.

As someone else stated when they left this fellowship... I am now a former,former.

Bob Deidrick n3fsa@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

Robert, you'd be the very last person I'd say 'get a life to'. I have enjoyed your many comments, and agree that newcomers be given a chance to vent about their army leaders.

former East

Anonymous said...

Bob,
don't go!!! Families squabble and this one is no different!

Anonymous said...

I have learned much from my regular visits to this site and admire and thank God for each of you.

"People are unreasonable, illogical, and self-centered. Love them anyway. If you do good, people may accuse you of selfish motives. Do good anyway. If you are successful, you may win false friends and true enemies. Succeed anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. Honesty and transparency make you vulnerable. Be honest and transparent anyway. What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight. Build anyway. People who really want help may attack you if you help them. Help them anyway. Give the world the best you have and you may get hurt. Give the world your best anyway."
-- Mother Teresa

Active Officer
UK

Anonymous said...

Bob,

I, too, am a "former, former". For many of the same reasons. I felt, at first that this place (and the FSAOF Site on Facebook) were places where a former could come and just share whatever was on their heart. In some cases, having been hurt by Army leadership, there may have been things said that could be considered bashing.

I do check back occasionally to this site, as I am no longer a member of the FAcebok site; however, find, sadly, that the same judgemental, "Don't share unless you agree" attitude prevails.

Blessings to all formers! God is good!

I sign anonymous because of comments received as a result of previous postings.

Former
USA East

'Fletch' said...

It is always a loss to an organisation, real or quasi, when people indicate that they are going to leave. I share the pain with Bob about people who are not too kind in some of their comments and sign anonymous, in the same way that some who share strongly dogmatic feelings from any side of a discussion and sign 'anonymous'. Some of you know my take on the fact that our faith and life is all about the future but like the famous 'Dr Phil'catchcry I also accept that "the best predictor future behaviour is past behaviour" and maybe there is a position that someone who has expressed a desire to become a 'former former' also has the ability to continue to grow as the Methodist New Nonection continued to grow, or should we say outgrow the confines of what they already had. I have often thought that there is an overemphasis by some on the terrible things that some have experienced, not to denigrate the experience but to use it as a means to grow for the future. I have seen so many people live out the words "you will get what you focus on" and I would like to think that many who share these blogs are in the process of doing that and while the vast majority of the respondants are 'anonymous' there is still time and energy to move into the next phase of growth in ministry, leave the pain where it belongs and take into the future the lessons learned for what glorious things that can be in store for us. I personally would encourage those thinking of becoming former formers, give us who stay a little more time and continue to share you lives, beliefs and experiences within our 'combined common heritage'. I still feel that pang of loss when I see the red epauletts, but I will also feel the pang of loss knowing that there are people out there who are former formers. However we will still one day have a wonderful chat, along with the Old Fella (WB) one day in the Morning.

Anonymous said...

We cannot have a free and open exchange except if on occasion someone might be offended by other people’s expressed opinions. When that happens, one has 3 choices, think and respond, think and don't respond, or respond, the latter appears to be the first choice of some.

Active
UK

FloridaFlamingo said...

Hey Bob,

I have rarely posted anonymously having decided rather to take the stance and let the shots come (and there have been many) because I believe it would be hypocritical of me to hide behind anonymity.

That is not to say all anonymous posters are doing that. I'm sure many have good reasons for not wishing to reveal their names. I'm sure there are just as many who are taking the lazy way out. It's going to happen.

And while I can't say I agree with your stances on things, most likely no more than you agree with mine, I do appreciate that you are willing to step up to the conversation.

Sven has taught me a great deal this past year by allowing to participate in writing for this forum. He has also shown me that love trumps every time.

Glad has shown that same kindness. She is a true model (tho' an active one at that) of what Pastors/Officers/Christians should be.

And Fletch. Where would I be without Fletch. He makes me think. He makes me think a lot. Books and other things have come my way because of him.

And you as well Bob. I thought of leaving many times since I tend to be a radical voice that just can't seem to shut up. But in the calm of the later hour I realize it would only be me I hurt. Rather than leave us write for us. Whether or not we are in agreement we need writers and new writers would are always welcome.

Discussion is key. Always. Agreement? Not so much.