

One episode of the Simpsons that sticks in my mind (can’t remember the name of the episode) ended with a scene set in the far distant future. Two armies were lined up in battle against each other. One declaring that ‘the great prophet Barth Simpson said ‘eat my shorts’’ (implying a particular philosophy and religion), the other declaring that ‘the holy one said ‘cowabunga man’’ (again, implying a different philosophy and religion), then the two armies went to war and annihilated each other.
The Corps Census in my home corps were also equally against all forms of dancing. Many members wouldn’t even attend a congress if they knew there was going to be liturgical dance presentations during the congress as all forms of dancing is evil and leads to the degradation of society at all levels (or so we were taught). My home corps practiced ‘liturgical movement’ instead. Hmmm. A rose by any other name...
My point for relaying the above stories is that so many disagreements among people – Christians included – come down to interpretation and understanding. When each side rigidly asserts that they are right and have the only correct interpretation, both sides tend to lose sight of how much they have in common, and how in fact they may both be right. By rigidly holding to one interpretation, people may fail to see the consequences of that interpretation, or misinterpret the position of the other side.
By holding rigidly to a position, we often fail to see the reality before us. We don’t want to believe that what we have been taught might be wrong, that our biblical understanding might be wrong. So we deny the reality of what we see in front of us and claim it doesn’t exist. Like the old joke: two Catholic women observing the people going in and out of a brothel. First they see father Edwards, the Anglican Priest going in, and they go tsch tsch. Those Anglicans.... and his poor wife.... Then they see Pastor Smith, the Baptist pastor going in, and again they despair for the soul of this member of clergy – going to use the prostitutes. Then they notice Father O’Reilly going in, and they go ‘Oh my, one of the poor unfortunate women must have died. Why else would Father go in there but to give her last rights?’
As a liberal Christian, I am fully aware of the dangers of holding a liberal position on various subjects. Where do I draw the line? Who do I exclude? Does that make me any less legalistic than conservatives are claimed to be? My response is usually ‘I don’t know!’ I recognise that throughout history, as people have grown in their understanding and scientific knowledge, as cultures have changed, as people have changed, philosophy and religion has changed. Interpretations of holy writings have changed. Doctrines have changed many times over or been re-interpreted to the point they may as well have been completely re-written. We no longer believe the earth to be flat or the centre of the universe. We no longer believe hell to be somewhere under the ground. We no longer consider scientific endeavour to be the work of Satan and a black art. At one point, the church would execute as a heretic anyone who believed such things or practiced science. The Census Board in my home corps would not enrol anyone who was a Psychologist or studying psychology or the humanities as they believed this proved they had abandoned the faith. Science has taught us many things about our universe and ourselves. It is no wonder then that so much theology has changed over the years.
At the same time, I have to realise that none of us have finished learning, or finished growing. What I understand now, in years to come I may consider foolishness – just as I now consider foolishness what I once argued so vehemently in my 20’s. In short, none of us are gods. The Apostle Paul said ‘11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.’ (1 Corinthians 13:11-12 NIV).
End Part One
Part Two "Is today’s Theological debates no different to the Barth Simpson theological wars?"

Former
Australia
Australia Southern Territory
8 comments:
Here, here Graeme! Amen---even though I know some people will accuse you of having a bone to pick because you're now openly gay!
I don't see how anyone can grow in their faith and still think the same way at 40, 50 or 60 that they did at 20 or even as a child in Sunday School.
Yet there are people out there who seem to think that not only is it admirable but that someone should present them with a gold embossed, leather bound Thompson Chain Reference Bible as a gift for doing so and that anything other than intellectual stagnation as a sign of deep spirituality, is deterioration and a falling away from the faith.
They never seem to understand that they're playing right into the hands of and are actually in agreement with today's aggressive atheists who claim that faith is for the ignorant and uneducated. Go figure.
Daryl Lach
USA Central
Our greatest example of growing in faith is Paul. We see him change from a leader in eradicating the early Christ followers to a complete turnabout in a matter of seconds; 'what would you have me do?'
We don't know the duration of that Damascusw road encounter, only that it was enough to convince Saul, the member of the Sanhedrin, that he was now the last ever appointed Apostle. His faith? Jewish to the bone. His Christology? Naive and demanding answers.
I can well picture Paul rushing back to Jerusalem seeking out James, the one who knew more about the Lord Jesus than any other human being; raised in the same home in Nazareth, grew up with the Lord Jesus, saw him through the silent years, in opposition to his brother during the early days of his ministry. But, he finally believed, by the death AND resurrection of the Lord; and Paul shares: ‘What I received I passed on to you as of first importancea: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day…’
One cannot read James’ short letter without being struck by its likeness to the teaching of Jesus; eg. more than a dozen exact parallels with the Sermon on the Mount. Isn’t it logical that Paul, whose theology and faith grew in such exact fashion, shadowed James for weeks and months to learn more about this Savior in whom he now placed all his new born faith?
Count it all joy, my brethren, when you meet various trials, for you know that the testing of your faith produces…
Blessed is the man who endures trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love him…
We know that the above statements came from James, but when, 30 years subsequent to having met the risen Lord, Paul penned his theology and reminders of how to grow in faith, the verses found repeated parallels in almost every letter.
"When I was a child I spoke as a child I understood as a child I thought as a child; but when I became a man I put away childish things." I Cor.
My mind was vacant, but now it’s filled with wonder, love and discernment.
Sven Ljungholm
Former
Scotland
Picking up on Sven's helpful example of Paul, an important question is ... should we aim to grow in our understanding of what Paul taught us about the faith, or should we consider his teaching and then agree or disagree with him at various points?
My understanding of growing in faith, is to grow in my understanding of what Paul and the other Scriptures teach, as all the Scriptures (including Paul's teachings) are the inspired Word of God. My aim is to increasingly understand and integrate what they teach, and agree (both in my thinking and living) with them.
In this context, Biblical theological debates are far more important than Bart Simpson's 'theological' wars - but they should also be conducted in a far better way - with mutual respect and love, so that God is glorified as we each strive to come to the unity of the faith.
I look forward to reading Part 2, Graeme.
Regards.
Bernard Martin
Former UKT
Sven once shared this Socratic thought with me as I struggled with not being to accept pat answers from the majority.
"The unexamined life is not worth living."
We must continue to search, learn, and grow. Thank you for sharing...d
Deborah:
Thank you for sharing this excellent challenge from Socrates. I too basically believe in the importance of debating, examining, researching, and challenging pat answers, norms, and status quo. I want to know the truth. I do not want to waste my time espousing, living and or proclaiming something that is not.
From what I have read Socrates wisdom was based on his keen ability to acknowledge and accept that he was without knowledge and could not resolve every contradiction.
Is it then possible that this might be compared to what we know as faith? It seems that he/she who is wisest submits to the Eternal One who will one day answer all our questions, resolve our conflicts, and reveal the mysteries we wrestle with on this side of eternity.
This is not surrender to our quest for knowledge rather surrender to the One whose knowledge and character, mysteries and person can be trusted.
Now for a weak attempt at a little Socratic challenge:
Can our knowledge of God be compared to the following…Take a single grain of sand and put it next to all the stars in the universe. The grain of sand is what we know about God and the stars represent the things we have yet to learn. Now you will begin to understand how little we actually know about God. There is good news…the knowledge we have been given is all we need to be in perfect relationship with Him.
Thought this might be a safe place as well as a challenging place to work this out?
Jeffery T. Bassett
Active/Former USA East
Jeff,
That last paragraph pretty well sums it all up. We know so little. The scary part is when we presume and then preach to know so much.
This evening when I head back to home from a dinner out with friends I will stop again to admire the stars and remember that I have no idea what is out there; only what is in my heart.
BTW, tomorrow I going to a bishoping. Well that is what I have been calling it anyway. A friend (Episcopalian Missionary) is being installed as a Bishop. 40 years ago I had the privilege of attending such an installation at the Cathedral in Detroit. I can only say spectacular and magnificent. This will be a much smaller affair in his little but beautiful home church. And for me far more personal. I'm looking forward to a very grand day in the presence of God.
Deborah
Former/USA South
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