
I'm not interested in the cheesy stuff of people saying 'Yes, but when you look back you will see God's hand at work' etc, or 'You were simply called to something different'. Neither am I interested in the rights and wrongs of selection conferences and whatever - they do their job (and I sometimes feel have saved the church from not nearly enough poor leaders). Rather, my concern here in the trenches of both giving and receiving faith accompaniment, is to understand better how plan B believers can function best in the absense of a sense of calling, or with even more difficulty, in a place where they positively feel they are not doing that which they were called to.
I'm blessed in that my vocation as a sister makes sense to me, adds up in my spiritual life, and is integrated with everything I do, even if it is hard sometimes and sometimes lacks interaction with my denomination. But others don't necessarily have even that, and struggle in a fog of uncertainty. How can God guide them in working in an organisation that for example has nothing at all to do with what they feel positively called to? Is God journeying with them in that for real? Are they getting it wrong? Will God have a plan for their/our lives in that situation? How can God go to plan B or was it plan B all along, in which case he was playing tricks on people giving them a sense of specific calling? In which case how does one ever trust a sense of guidance from God again? It is these dilemmas that people struggle with in spiritual accompaniment with friends or spiritual director.

Cornwall Church Health is an ecumenical ministry which I set up and run day to day, networked into a wider circle of
people who help with workshops, advise and so on.
Warmest blessings
Eleanor Burne-Jones
Sister under private vows
On the rolls of the local SA corps.
Eleanor Burne-Jones trained in church conflict mediation, congregational conflict consulting and training trainers at Bridgebuilders, the London Mennonite Centre, and in neighbour mediation at the Mediation Service, Manchester. Eleanor spent many years living in the orthodox Jewish communities of London and Manchester, where she learned Torah through the kiruv programmes, gave practical instruction in observance, and organised classes for women in Talmud and Shulchan Aruch.
After returning to the church, she trained in Prayer Companionship, sometimes termed spiritual direction, in the Ignatian tradition through Salford Prayer Guides and is part of several Spiritual Director networks. At the same time she went through the novitiate with the Anglican Third Order Society of St Francis before becoming a Sister under private vows.
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Thanks for sharing Eleanor.
It's great to have your input on this site.
Always indebted to your forward thinking ideas.
Former
Thanks Eleanor for sharing in this way through this medium.
I would be interested to know what value other readers put on a 'Spiritual Director' / 'Soul Friend' and how any of you have gone about finding someone who is right for you.
Many thanks!
God bless you!
Eleanor I don't think there is a plan B. God is not playing games with you. Its the Church that played games. God will use you where He needs you.
Yes the Church played games with my life . Sucking me into the game of steering me into giving up all and following my call. And I really felt called. There are two from my original Corps , the original group of young people who finished their calling. There were actually seven who answered that call.
What happened to the other five? The Church has to answer to God .God does not play games . I feel deeply the Church has an obligation to those who give up all and answer the call to help them complete that vocation. Yes there are special circumstances where someone just isn't suited.
God can always use us. The fields are always ripe unto harvest. God can use us anywhere.
Eleanor just let God use you.
Former Proclaimer of The Faith
I received the below yesterday...
Hi Sven
Greetings from this side of the ‘pond’! Hope you are hearty and healthy.....
As an active officer of nearly 30 years, I have found it stimulating and refreshing ( and often very moving) to read some of the pilgrim journeys of fellow (former) officers right up to the point where they are now. The Salvation Army is a very peculiar movement and with a highly developed /inherited human resource controlling mechanism. This has caused much pain and confusion to many people over the years. I think it says something that in membership % terms, the SA has trained more people for full time ministry in its history than ANY other church denomination. The other ( very negative) side of the same coin is that the SA has not been able to retain the services of the vast majority of such people during their lifetime. You and I know that there are 1001 reasons ( probably more!!) as to why officers have resigned their commission or have had their commission terminated instantly ( often for very good reason)......... Often people have been dealt with honourably, generously and graciously by the SA, others have very negative ongoing experiences because of the lack of care and consideration within the inherent system. All these people need to be heard and it is good that your blog exists.
Personally, I am not so sure whether it is a good idea to mix active and former officers ( and now lay folks) on the same blog, it somehow defies the purpose of your blog and it becomes too broadly confusing with the active segment ultimately becoming more prominent than the formers. Maybe the recent development needs some more thought on your part? It would be a pity if it became a ‘lame duck’ blog in this respect.
Just a thought!
Active Officer
UKT
Thank you!
I echo your words and think the mix is not the 'ethos' behind setting up the site.
I appreciate the reasons behind including others, especially maybe for those who know they have been called but were not choosen and so I guess can be classed as a former as they see it in their eyes.
Come on formers, have your say, express your thoughts, inspire us through what your are doing now,bless us with your presence. Whether you are an early retired officer (you are then classed as a former I feel).
Former
UKT
Sven,
I appreciate the current flow of dialogue by the recent post - not sure I feel that way about the following, as stated by Active Officer UKT - "Personally, I am not sure whether it is a good idea to mix active and former officers (and now lay folks) on the same blog and it becomes too broadly confusing with the active segment ultimately becoming prominent than the formers..."
To that I respectfully reply...what a knucklehead statement! I sure pray that this individual (male or female, Captain or Colonel) is not in charge of a corps with that way of thinking, personally. Is that scriptural? I wonder what Jesus has to say about that? It's ablout FELLOWSHIP Active UKT! Get involved.
Sven, my apologies for my candor but this is the kind of thinking by "some" active officers in my sphere of influence from captain to commissioner that I, as a former officer, continue to deal with whenever I enter a room full of red shoulder-trimmed uniforms!
I am often in a corps settin where active officers, former officers, and lay people meet in one accord (and i don't mean a Honda).
It's currently working just fine Active Officer UKT...not too worry.
Andre,
Spot On, Andre!
As a body of 'believers', we are encouraged to build each other up in the faith.
Let us be ever mindful of this when commenting here. Please do not let this become a place to hurt others!
May our comments be always respect and 'God honouring'.
Ephesians 4 'God chose you to be His people, so I tell you now to live the life to which God called you. Always be humble, gentle and patient, accepting each other in love. You are joined together with peace through the Spirit, so do all you can to continue together in this way'.
Tracey Oliver
Former
UKT
Tracey,
I agree. And If I offended you at all...my apologies.
Although not an excuse, I'm becoming slightly irreverent (but in a good way). Something I learned first hand during my sojourn at the SFOT.
May the Lord continue to bless and use you Andre.
Tracey Oliver
UKT
Dear Friends,
You may be aware that Sven is at present visiting the UK for a few days holiday. On Tuesday he became ill and has been admitted to hospital with a stroke. Please will you keep your friend and his family very much in your thoughts and prayers at this time.
Sven has not got access to the internet in the hospital but if you want to post messages here I will make sure he gets them.
Many thanks!
God bless you!
Glad Thompson
So sorry to hear about Sven. What a terrible thing to happen, especially so far from home. Please give him my best wishes - he, & you, are in my prayers.
Margaret, UKT
Good morning folks. I spoke with Sven's Corps Officer last evening ,Captain Rick & Bethany Starkey)who just happens to be my best friend and fellow session-mate. Rick (and family) are currently on furlough and asked about Sven during our 15 minute conversation. Thank you "anoymous". will convey the news to them soonest.
Andre L .Burton, former officer
Messenger of Hope
USA East, Greater New York
Dear "Anonymous" or Glad Thompson,
I'm sure I speak for the majority in saying we wish Sven the very best during this time. We're all praying for his speedy recovery.
Andre L. Burton
USA East, Greater New York
Friends, I have experience firsthand the power of prayer working within this site, and would hope that same feeling of support and love is felt by Sven,as we pray for him and his family at this time.May God guide Doctors etc when treating him, and may Gods beautiful peace surround him at this time.
I hope many of 'us' here would echo that prayer.
Tina Jones ( UKT - Former)
Friends,
Thank you for your messages and prayers on behalf of Sven ... they are very much appreciated. I have printed your messages up and taken them to Sven.
Please know he sends his love and the assurance of his prayers to all of you.
God bless you real good!
Glad
So sorry to hear about Sven. I will remember him in my prayers as I say my prayers for my husband who has been in the hospital since March 1st. They do wonders today as regards to recovering from strokes. If my husabnd had had a stroke he might be home by now. He had a malformation of veins in his brain which the brilliant Neuro surgeons at North Shore Hospital say they permanently corrected and he was told this is a fairly new procedure. He is recuperating and attacking his therapy. We're just waiting for the Neurons in his brain to regenerate. Yes I have seen miracles happen in the past month regarding prayer for my husbands recovery.
You just have to have the faith to believe, Like Jesus said to the man who touched the hem of Jesus cloak,"Go in Peace, Thy faith hath made thee whole." I wish and pray for Sven's quick recovery.
Former Proclaimer of The Faith
Andre, I have been reading your comments with great interest. I too am a Former Officer and I know how you feel but I did not have the opportunity to continue even as a Soldier . I am still a Soldier though. I saw my original Soldier Card on the Roll at the Corps I use to attend. It was eight years before I re-entered a Salvation Army Corps except for Special occasions as I still had a brother in the Service. My younger brother and his wife left the Service also, and she was raised as an Officers Child.
I always intended when I decided to bow out gracefully to continue in a Soldier capacity and possibly become a local officer. I never intended to leave my Church totally , but in those days you were so to say almost excommunicated. There's another phrase not appropiate for this Forum.
The UK Officer said the Salvation Army has trained more people for its ministry than any other Denomination. Well even if the major majority has not continued in the ministry the Salvation Army has greatly contributed to Society . I'm sure the majority of us Formers still continue to be a Christian influence on Society in general and I know that many Formers from my famous 100 year Session went on to do great service in other areas of Society serving the public and making a difference .
And I too am puzzled by more Active Officers taking a part in this Forum which was originally intended for Formers to have a place to come and commiserate with other Formers and get things so to say off their chests.
I was raised in the Salvation Army Church from a little child and love the Salvation Army and will always be grateful for that upbringing and influence in my life. My faith especially has held me up over the last two months since that fateful day I found my husband on the floor. If it hadn't been for the faith I was raised with in The Salvation Army I don't know how I would have coped. Especially through the Serious major brain surgery he underwent.
God Bless The Salvation Army
Former Proclaimer of The Faith
Thank you for sharing your thoughts anonymous. It was an uplift to my spirit this morning. It's currently raining, non-stop, here in New York City. My commute to work was terrible but I feel better...thanks to you!
Dear Sven,
Sorry to hear about your recent stroke. I'm praying for your recovery. Also for the former "Proclaimer of the Faith" (1963-1965) whose husband just had brain surgery----I'll remember you in my prayers too.
God Bless and Keep You both,
Daryl Lach
USA Central
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