FSAOF Commentary
Tariro – An ongoing story of hope
PART Five
Bright Hope for Tomorrow - Continued
The balance of the final
section of the Tariro article focuses medical services delivery – past, present
and future. Once again, one needs to stop and consider each topic carefully for
what is being said and the way it is being presented.
Beginning with the volunteer
program, the article claims that the volunteer program was halted after the
“disruption” in 2012. This is
false. A letter dated May 16,
2012, long before the disruptions in August, was issued which stated that the
volunteer program had been suspended "to develop a program that will be
more manageable". In other words, THQ Zimbabwe wanted to control the
volunteer program at Howard Hospital.
There are only future plans for
volunteers and only at a scaled down level. It will be interesting to see what these future plans
contain. It is uncertain if those organizations and volunteers that have
supported Howard Hospital in the past will consider supporting it again, or if
they’ll even be welcome.
In the middle of September
2013, once such volunteer was refused admittance to the hospital grounds and
facility. This happened to a medical professional who has served multiple-month
long volunteer engagements at Howard Hospital every year since 1993. The
volunteer was trying to see a long-time Salvation Army officer friend who had
been admitted to the hospital. Fortunately, the volunteer stood their ground
and was able to see their friend before his death.
This incident is not an
exception. Others who have previously volunteered at and/or donated to Howard
have been denied permission to visit the hospital. This is an objectionable
policy, particularly for a public hospital, and it is uncharitable in light of
all that these donors and volunteers have contributed in terms of skills,
talents, time and money.
The search for a replacement
Chief Medical Officer (CMO) was outlined in the article. It is certainly
understandable that the Army would seek to replace Dr. Thistle with a Zimbabwe
national. However, a Zimbabwean was not available. This is not surprising, as
there have been many newspaper articles which report that many doctors leave
Zimbabwe after completing their required residencies. They seek out better
opportunities in other countries.
Because of this, the Army
reached out and asked another Salvationist who served as CMO in an Army
hospital. The young doctor, along with his wife and children are from India.
While his curriculum vita is impressive, it leans more toward the
administrative side of things. Under his administration of Howard Hospital, the
numbers are improving, which is a good sign.
A report from the local
community indicates, however, that he does not seem, they feel, as
skilled as the two Zimbabwe doctors, who had additional training from Dr.
Thistle. It is not clear how long the Zimbabwe doctors will stay
now. They still are asking for Dr. Thistle to be returned, feeling that
without him, Howard will be just another clinic.
It must be pointed out that Dr.
Pachuau was not even approached until October 2012, more than two months after
Dr. Thistle was given his marching orders, and wasn’t officially on staff until
the end of August 2013.
Would it not have been more
practical, professional, compassionate and reasonable to have left Dr. Thistle in place, with
a plan of transition of care between Dr. Thistle and Dr. Pachuau? Doing so
would have ameliorated a large percentage of the issues caused by the abrupt
dismissal and departure of Dr. Thistle.
…to be continued
Jolinda Cooper,
Former Officer - USA
31 comments:
"Beginning with the volunteer program, the article claims that the volunteer program was halted after the “disruption” in 2012. This is false." and "It must be pointed out that Dr. Pachuau was not even approached until October 2012, more than two months after Dr. Thistle was given his marching orders, and wasn’t officially on staff until the end of August 2013."
Facts are stubborn things. Thank you Jolinda for stating the facts and in so doing exposing the partial truths and the lies of commission and omission by IHQ.
I can remember promises that a new CMO would be in place long before this. Aug. 23rd, 2012 the Canadian territory put out a press release with the overall message that everything was functioning well at the HH.
It is sickening but thank you FSAOF for keeping up the pressure on IHQ. Also thank you because it has permitted Salvationists world wide to know how corrupt IHQ is - spiritual wickedness in high places I think is what it is often referred to as.
Sadly, in a hierarchical military organization really nothing can be done. The only thing which forces change upon such organizations is court cases and/or persistent bad public press. Nothing less will suffice.
I anticipate someone to write in that prayer will do it. Action must be backed by prayer in the closet for sure, but faith without action is dead. I'll re-iterate what someone else has said on occasion - the Vatican would never have dealt with pedophilia without world wide media exposure and pressure. Loss of human life is every bit as serious, cover-up and partial truth spin writing is every bit as serious. This needs to be exposed beyond FSAOF as has happened in Canada.
Prayer is a mighty, powerful tool - our God can move mountains. The actions you speak of are almost impossible to invoke, to my mind, but I'm positive that God will judge in His own way.
I love the Army, but it's so sad to see it brought low spiritually like this.
We have to be patient and wait for the Lord to invoke His justice.
I agree God will bring about ultimate justice, but in this life He expects His people to work for justice and not just sit back and wait. Justice often doesn't happen in this life but we should never have an accepting attitude of that, nor a sit back and wait attitude.
There are sayings that are commonly used like 'God has no hands but our hands', or 'our lives are the only Bible some people will ever read'. The whole message of the incarnation is identification and involvement in human life. Thank the Lord, He didn't sit back and wait, but He has come into our world and He expects us to do likewise - not to sit back and wait. There is a time for everything - a time for prayer and a time to couple it with action.
What is so wrong about exposing wrong doing in the church? I think it is much more honouring to Christ than the alternative - participating in a huge cover-up by waiting and saying nothing. I admire officers - active and retired and formers - who have been close to this HH situation, who have given years of their own lives working there, and who have courageously spoken out against what IHQ has done.
How to do it, though.......
DILEMMA - from The Doorpost: Wrongdoing by church leaders (1 Timothy 5)
'Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of the elect angels I charge you to keep these rules without prejudging, doing nothing from partiality.
1 Timothy 5:19-21........……. Paul makes it clear that wrongdoing by church leaders must be dealt with publicly. Failure to do this could cause it to spread to others.
Anything we do must be done without partiality or favoritism. ……'
On the other hand, 2 Chronicles 7:14 says, “If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked (selfish) ways, then I will heal their land” (their church, their heart). It’s a sure promise!
So......?
Each, Dr Thistle and the SA have moved on from this and so should Fsaof. I am sure that there are some that want Dr Thistle to be re-instated at Howard. That would be a huge retrograde mistake indeed and will therefor not happen.
The FSAOF is comprised of almost 1,100 former officers. Consequently there is no single agenda or subject on which all are agreed.
Thistle's return to HH has never been our focus or intent. SA ethics; honesty, transparency, responsibility, trust and health care advocacy for the Chiweshe people is our sole concern.
IHQ's actions and statements display a fragmented and biased ethical front. Far from what one should expect. Consequently, we will continue to speak out -
FSAOF USA South Region
(Names on File)
Thank you FSAOF USA South - well said. I can only only speak for myself - A Canadian soldier - but I agree entirely with those reasons for continuing to pursue this, and I have spoken with other Canadians who feel the same way.
“Each, Dr Thistle and the SA have moved on from this and so should Fsaof. I am sure that there are some that want Dr Thistle to be re-instated at Howard. That would be a huge retrograde mistake indeed and will therefor not happen”
Dr. Thistle moved on to a neighbouring mission hospital in order to continue serving Zimbabweans, including the people of Chiweshe who might afford the added cost of transport to Karanda. The SA moved on by covering up the loss of human life and suffering through public relations spin and victimization of hospital staff and community members who dared to speak out against the decision. Thistle’s return to Howard would continue to expose the systemic problems within the SA, especially with respect to hospital administration. What did not work for Dr. Thistle last year will not work for the new CMO today, and the next one to follow. Therefore to the SA, Thistle’s return would be ‘a huge retrograde mistake.’ Only an independent external inquiry will provide the answers, one that reaches out to the people, including the tens of thousands that Howard Hospital is no longer serving.
I concur 100% with the statement made by FSAOF USA South.
'Thistle’s return to Howard would continue to expose the systemic problems within the SA, especially with respect to hospital administration. What did not work for Dr. Thistle last year will not work for the new CMO today, and the next one to follow. Therefore to the SA, Thistle’s return would be ‘a huge retrograde mistake.’
I totally agree - 100% - well said.
And yet Dr Thistle wanted to remain part, lock, stock and barrel of such a 'corrupt' system serving under totally discredited and amoral leadership? Did he not do everything in his power to remain at this Salvation Army institution and serve under such leadership? Or did he perceive it to be his own personal hospital empire after all those years of being Chief?
The plain fact remains that he was part of it for 16 years, willingly and gladly played his part in its internal and external affairs to the fullest extent and, to crown it all, was willing to stay there as a Salvation Army officer Dr for an indefinite period of time in years to come. How could that be when there obviously was no mutual trust left?
When everything got out of control, something had to give and he had to go. Most people would have gladly gone away from that brood of vipers and apply to the much more Christian Karanda hospital to fulfil their so clearly defined calling and commitment to the local people of Cheweshi.
Something smells fishy here with only a tiny little part of the total story being revealed.
Dr. Paul Thistle as far as I can see, did everything in his power to get TSA to act righteously in this matter. He did not condone any of TSA's actions in this whole matter of his dismissal and termination.
On the other side, TSA was fully aware that he was independently fundraising for their institution and turned a blind eye to it for many years. They only paid attention to it when Commissioner Chigariro made an issue that she wasn't getting her cut and that she was being circumvented. As I see it, she had IHQ over a barrel and forced them to adhere to their own archaic funding system. Does anyone seriously think for a moment that IHQ didn't know she was being circumvented? Certainly, the Canadian territory knew Paul Thistle was going around Canada doing independent fund raising for the HH, and they, like IHQ, were allowing it because frankly his system of funding was much more effective than their own system which was plagued with corruption.
It was expedient to sacrifice Dr. Thistle, the HH and human life in Chiweshe rather than deal with the problems in their own funding system or to proactively change their system. They had to keep their control and their chain of command in tack or their whole system could have fallen like a deck of cards.
It's obvious IHQ perceived there was much at stake here for them to have sanctioned such rash and radical action. I would suggest that if they had allowed Dr. Paul Thistle to continue at the HH as CMO and doing independent fundraising, they may have been faced with total revolt from every other TC in the developing world. So it appears they chose to do what was expedient in order to maintain and use their system at all cost.
I think IHQ perhaps miscalculated the fallout from the decision to remove Dr. Thistle as news spread around the Army world via internet and social media. Having made one unfortunate decision, then they have subsequently found themselves in the cycle of damage control and spin and it has been one bad decision upon another.
The only way out of this and the only way to restore confidence in their leadership at this point, is for General Cox to risk having an independent investigation done by professionals.
Coming to the Canadian territory to do a congress in June 2014 may assure IHQ that they are still very much in control as visually the crowds will no doubt be impressive given that officers will be brought in at great expense from across this vast territory. It will appear they've rallied the troops yet again. However, these kinds of events are very deceiving - much of the crowd will be people who are there because they have to be there. If leadership takes this as true confidence, trust and support of their leadership, they are dreaming in technicolour and only fooling themselves.
There is a way of escape from this mess but so far no will on the part of IHQ to take the necessary action. General Cox is more of the same.
Excellent comment - spot-on.
A very poor, accusative and non factual comment indeed. 'As I see it' is usually very subjective and loaded against anything and anyone you may not agree with.
I must grant it to you that at least by saying this, you are acknowledging that it is a personal viewpoint that could of course be wholly or partly incorrect.
'As I see it' -'It's obvious' - 'I think (IHQ perhaps)' - 'I would suggest' - 'It will appear' 'So it appears they chose....'
There is no real, rock solid, supported evidence offered to take this blogger seriously as he/ she is obviously not in the loop when uttering such nonsensical, preposterous and speculative incitements.
Depends on your viewpoint - there is no doubt that IHQ acted badly - and that the fallout has had a steady ripple effect through the ranks. It's obvious, too, that the soldiery who have learned of TSA leaders' actions are in no way impressed - completely the opposite, in fact. And there is also no doubt that the contributors on this subject are passionate about the human suffering that TSA is responsible for. This is unequivocal - rock solid and supportive of the people dealt with so dismissively by TSA.
Where is the undisputable evidence that the SA is responsible for any increased, willfully imposed suffering and for the subsequent corporate manslaughter of local people through medical omissions.
Where are the official statistics to prove at least beyond reasonable doubt that the burden of mass suffering and death are to be placed on the shoulders of certain individual SA leaders because of a perceived vendetta being carried out against the CMO to get him out?
Certain things just do not add up, even for those in the know it will still be baffling and stressful.
Each party involved has played their full part in this episode. It certainly is not as clear cut as some would like to make it out.
'Where is....'
'Where are....'
Hidden in the silence at IHQ, I'd say.
You have to ask yourself about the ethics of the manner of the dismissal though, surely, whatever the rights and wrongs of the preceding situation. Dr Thistle may not have been THQ or IHQ's favourite person, but the fact that he felt compelled to do his own substantial fundraising to plug a gap that TSA couldn't fill for whatever reason has to be in the man's favour- and it benefitted people needing medical attention who would not otherwise have received it. If there had been a replacement doctor to take up the reins immediately following his dismissal I would have some sympathy with TSA's decisions, but anyone who has undergone protracted medical treatment will know the essential value of the continuing care and aftercare of the attending physician. To show absolutely no care to these people alone is beyond belief, regardless of the effect it had on the wider patient community - especially as these decisions came from Christian leaders.
Give us some evidence of 'absolutely no care' being provided after the 48 hour notice was issued during or after the riot. A full blown violent riot in support of him did not do Dr Thistle any favours!
What hard evidence have you got to say that all continuing medical and after care completely ('absolutely')stopped and not carried out by other trained doctors and staff, albeit not with the certain specific specialist knowledge of a Dr Thistle?
Sorry - 'absolutely no care' should have been 'absolutely no consideration'.
And I didn't say that aftercare stopped, did I? - I can't see it there, and I wouldn't make that statement because I wasn't there at the time.
But if I HAD been there, and the only FULLY trained doctor was being dismissed so suddenly, I would have been one of the rioters - not because of any personal thoughts about Dr Thistle - I can't imagine he was known that well by most of his patients - again, I can't be sure - but I would have rioted at the prospective loss of such an accomplished doctor, especially if I had been previously under his medical supervision. The other doctors were, I understand, being trained by him, and could not deal with the more complex surgery issues, nor their aftercare.
When you get used to a certain standard, to have it taken away with no justification is not acceptable - even to poor people. Everyone who argues FOR TSA stance in this is missing the human element.
“Where is the evidence?” First, it would be almost impossible that people have not died, when the only person who could save their lives at a price they could afford has been taken away. Second, there is the witness of staff and community members. They cannot be named or quoted as they have been threatened with dismissal or arrest if they speak out. Evidence is there and I know of some.
Let me start with the first person to die, Mrs. Rudo M., a 38-year old mother. Her situation caused a scandal in Chiweshe and beyond in August, 2012; her story is public knowledge. She came to Howard Hospital with a bowel obstruction. Dr. Thistle detected a mass in her sigmoid colon, eased her suffering and saved her life with a colostomy. She returned as scheduled for lab results, with possible further surgery, only to find Dr. Thistle had been removed at very short notice. Her family was incensed, demanding something be done. She was transported to Bindura Provincial Hospital, where a surgeon was on duty. He revised the colostomy, but was not as experienced as Dr. Thistle (who rates as the highest qualified surgeon in Zimbabwe Government service). In the car on the way home, the incision burst, her intestines spilled out and she went into shock. She was returned to Howard Hospital, but Dr. Thistle was 80 Km. away, forbidden to return on orders from The Salvation Army. She died at Howard on the 26th August, 2012.
What caused her death? Dr. Thistle almost certainly could have saved her life. He feels that way, and it hurts. The main factor was the Salvation Army administration, which interfered in Dr. Thistle’s medical practice with little regard for human life. Giving the lady's doctor 24 hours to leave the hospital and 48 hours to leave the country has very little logic to it, other than spite. It was not intended to appease the community demonstrating against his removal, rather the opposite, and to show who was the boss.
The charge of “criminal negligence leading to death” comes to mind, but misses the point. “Negligence” is too soft a word for the forced removal of a badly-needed doctor. Those who object to Dr. Thistle's desire to continue at Howard until a replacement was in place understand neither the ethics nor the legalities involved in being a doctor who is responsible for human life. He was obliged to be there and give formal notice. And if this, indeed, is a criminal case, then those who assisted in the crime, assented to it, or were unwilling to report it, are complicit, sharing the guilt and often the punishment.
There have been many more deaths: a 56-year old who died in November of benign prostatic hypertrophy, one of Thistle’s specialties; a lady who died in January of an acute abdomen; a boy who died of appendicitis; others who died of burns and bed sores. Chief Negomo has made a list of 40 from his small district alone.
In addition to those needing surgery are others suffering inadequate care due to a lack of finances at the hospital. Howard Hospital was never able to survive on what came through official channels alone, even 50 years ago. All doctors have had to raise external, direct funding. The present CMO has been put in a very difficult position with that source of funding removed.
I do not wish to hurt the Salvation Army, which I love. Nor do I wish to be critical of those trying to rebuild Howard. But I cannot be complicit in what I see as a crime and cover-up, only destined to damage the Army unless dealt with openly.
If you know to be the case then the crime and wilful criminality must surely be addressed through a criminal court system and a due legal sentence passed rather than an armchair FSAOF kangaroo court one?
Dr Watts....Are you willing to instigate such moral legal proceedings on behalf of the people of Chiweshe against the alleged perpetrators?
Knowing and acknowledging such awful alleged criminality and not doing anything about it could easily give the impression of fence sitting and does not give a positive ethical Christian nor Salvationist witness.
At least do something!
I'm no legal expert, but all these facts are well-known at IHQ, and everything is documented there. The leaders who were involved in the fatal decision-making are - with the exception of General Bond - still in Army service, and they, more than anyone, should be the ones bringing charges against the wrongdoers. To expect anyone outside of this 'circle of knowledge' to do so is ridiculous. The above factual information provided by Major (Dr) James Watt (R) is courageous and to be commended, because for too long now we have had denials from IHQ that people have suffered as a result of the decision to dismiss Dr Thistle.
To be ignorant of the facts and do nothing is one thing - but to possess full knowledge of what has been done and to try to hide it under the carpet to save TSA's 'reputation' is equally if not more culpable as those who took the decision to dismiss him in the first place.
Christian leaders have a sacred duty to expose wrongdoing and seek reparation, not to keep it hidden. If they had obeyed this sacred calling and been more transparent from day one and if they had made the courageous decision to come clean, this sad affair could have been resolved with at least some dignity along with some gracious repentance. After all, repentance is at the heart of our Gospel message - why should it not apply to leaders as well?
Your call for action is directed at the wrong person – look to the leadership.
Some blog contributors have strongly indicated that the international and national SA leadership has been involved in wilful, criminal neglect that has led to avoidable and deliberate manslaughter in the local community. That is an extremely serious charge to bring and needs to be further investigated and judged according to the law of the country involved - (Zimbabwe).
Just an acknowledgment and apology by IHQ/THQ will not suffice in this instance where such blatant criminality is involved- that would sell the people of Chiweshe short no end.
If there has been criminal intent and conduct then it is the law of the country to expend justice according to the prosecution evidence offered.
Do you really expect the Salvation Army leadership to instigate proceedings against themselves in a court of law? This needs to be done externally by people who have solidarity with and such passionate commitment to the wronged people.
So, who of those contributors on this blog is willing, on behalf of and in strongly declared personal affinity with the poor, suffering people of Chiweshe, to instigate such official legal proceedings in Zimbabwe against the corrupt and amoral SA leadership that is responsible for such terrible deaths? I would not call it a genocide or a cull though.
With a membership of over a thousand FSAO's, funding such a certain case should be no problem and would raise the prominence of this site sky high! With such a sure case, any legal costs made would be levied against the prosecuted party - a win-win- scenario if there ever was one!
Maybe the facilitator and owner of this blog should take a vigorous ethical Christian lead here?
Matthew 25:40
Just a thought...
...'funding such a certain case should be no problem and would raise the prominence of this site sky high!'...
I'm not even a member of this blog site, but even I can see that the motivation of reporting this tragic sequence of events is not for self-aggrandisement.
OK, the motivation is absolutely pure and selfless and not for self-aggrandisement.
So much more the motivational reason to assist those who have been denied justice and had to arrange expensive funerals because of the wilful criminal neglect by individual SA leaders.
Practicing what we preach, putting the money where our mouth is the most credible form of our Christian faith. Talk alone is very easy and this would be a wonderful opportunity to show that there is still a generous spirit of affinity with the poor within the SA. That is our individual responsibility toward God.
The full onus is now on those who have got the solid evidence of such dastardly actions (FSAOF members and other contributors) and make it happen for the people involved. Doing nothing is not an option, its a cheap betrayal and a cop out.
To the writer who wrote .....'the international and national SA leadership has been involved in wilful, criminal neglect that has led to avoidable and deliberate manslaughter...'
I don't think anyone at IHQ or THQ sat down and decided to set a chain of human misery in motion when they decided to sack Dr Thistle. It's ridiculous to even suggest that. IHQ/THQ have not had the best press on this blog, it's true, but I don't think anyone believes that the subsequent events were a direct consideration before they closed ranks to defend and protect Salvation Army power/control and decided to sack the doctor.
The consequences of those actions were, indeed, tragic, but to say they were wilful and deliberate is stretching the truth on your aggressive call for action, and as any deaths could only be attributed to IHQ decision-making by applying the law of probability, there is absolutely nothing concrete, in my humble opinion, that would stand up in a court of law. Unless, of course, there is a legal expert blogging away who would know differently.
But if you think there is a case to answer, don't shift the responsibility onto others - knowledge is a responsibility for everyone, and what has been printed here is probably all that is known -except, of course, by the direct participants - so maybe you should do it yourself.
BTW – your quote from Matthew was taken out of context, and was maybe a foolish choice. One of the preceding verses has these words…’when I was sick you took care of me’ (v36). However you look at it, care was absent.
I am glad that the devil's advocate posting did the trick!
The ridiculous defamatory insinuations, accusations and character assassinations made against most of the leadership of the SA on this blog by some are just that.....ridiculous and defamatory without any hard evidence.
Thank you for your response, this puts a more healthier perspective to largely very biased, narrow contributions that were largely based on carefully selected third hand reporting in the absence of reliable first hand evidence by the main parties involved. How sage of them to keep the line dead!
To see some old scores being settled this way over the back of the local people is painful to watch indeed.
Oh, my, you sound almost triumphant - how sad.
I have no history with old scores etc, and having read all of the comments on here regarding this painful subject, I'm afraid I find the tone of your remarks to be less than sympathetic to the Chiweshe people. You may have approved of some of my unbiased comments, but the stark truth is still that the Salvation Army leadership showed a very nasty side to its nature, and that people have undoubtedly suffered as a result - both inside and outside of its organisational confines. It has proved that the TSA leaders involved loved their positions, power, and TSA itself more than they love the people they are allegedly called to and paid to serve. If this were not the case, no such callous decision would have been made, because they would have had a bigger heart for suffering humanity than their love of TSA and of the threat to their inner circle.
I am obviously not privy to the nature of the reasons some of the members of this blog are 'formers', but some people's stories are in the public domain, and I have to tell you, the Salvation Army does not emerge smelling of roses on these either.
Undoubtedly there may be some who have less than altruistic feelings about TSA and its predicament over Howard Hospital, but please don't forget who initiated this issue - TSA has only got itself to blame. If it had acted in a more Christian way, there would be no 'Howard Hospital' saga.
You say 'The ridiculous defamatory insinuations, accusations and character assassinations made against most of the leadership of the SA on this blog by some are just that.....ridiculous and defamatory without any hard evidence'.
I don't believe 'most' of the leadership has been attacked, or their characters 'assassinated' - the only people identified are those who have told lies in their statements and those who have tried to subjugate the truth. I don't know how many there are in this category, but whoever they are, they are responsible themselves for the things they said, and you cannot make truth out of a lie, and if they had not issued such differing statements, again, the situation would not have arisen.
Believe me, 'keeping the line dead' has not done TSA any good at all among its soldiery.
"I am glad that the devil's advocate posting did the trick!" I realize that some may feel threatened by this discussion, but there is no need for mind games, claiming there is no evidence, then, when evidence is given, daring it be taken to criminal court. No one here is threatening any one with court action. That is up to the families in Zimbabwe, but it would be very detrimental to the Army. Still, a line has been crossed, several crimes have been committed, some by intent (such as false accusations against nurses resulting in their arrest and torture) and some by negligence (removing a key doctor at short notice without adequate cover, causing deaths). I realize that there were awkward people to deal with and honest attempts to provide medical cover, but people indeed were badly treated and others indeed died. That is why it is imperative to openly and honestly look at these things, do what we can to alleviate the suffering, and make sure things are changed so they do not happen again. God knows we are all going to make mistakes, which is why He laid out the path of honesty, repentance, forgiveness and reconcilliation. It is much more healthy than the path of denial. And if, in this discussion, I have falsely accused anyone, please let me know so I can publicly apologize.
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