We have received a number of requests asking us
to provide information relative to our posts this week focusing on the Howard
Hospital, Zimbabwe, and the targeted defamation of Dr. Paul Thistle.
Jolinda Cooper, a former Salvation Army officer
wrote a largely circulated paper detailing the actions that resulted in Dr.
Thistle’s dismissal, subsequent to his almost 19 years of heralded sacrificial
service as the Howard's only surgeon.
- In August 2012 Captain (Dr.) Paul Thistle
returned to Zimbabwe following his ‘homeland furlough’ from his native Canada
only to learn that he’s been dismissed and must leave the country within 48
hours. The HH staff and the many thousands who depend on Dr. Thistle’s surgical
skills and spiritual leadership demonstrate against the SA. On Thistle’s forced
departure suffering and death ensues… -
Sven Ljungholm
___________________________________
Early/Mid September
2012 – Dr. Michael
Silverman and 4 other members of IFHH ( Interfaith Friends of Howard
Hospital) meet with leaders of The Salvation Army in Toronto. The Canadian
leadership said that it wasn’t up to them (Canadian Salvation Army) but it was
up to The Salvation Army IHQ. (London)
Early/Mid-September
2012 – Dr. Silverman flew
to London to meet with Majors Dean and Eirwen Pallant. There were 2 meetings of
2.5 hours duration each. There was discussion about a possible grievance that
would be the cause of removing Dr. Thistle from Howard Hospital but no direct
answer was given to Silverman (in Silverman’s opinion) by the Pallants.
However, one issue brought up was that Dr. Thistle didn’t communicate well with
The Salvation Army.
Silverman felt that
this “explanation” didn’t make sense, due to the fact that Howard Hospital
doesn’t have reliable telephone or internet service. Additionally, Thistle’s
primary responsibilities at Howard Hospital were as a physician and a surgeon,
and not that of a hospital administrator. Silverman indicated that 95% of
Thistle’s time was spent in his primary duties, and the administrative work
that Thistle was doing was being done after hours because there was no one else
to do it.
He pointed out to the
Pallants that they could bring in an administrator to handle the business and
communications needs of Howard Hospital instead of depending on Thistle to do
it.
Silverman also
indicated to the Pallants that they should let Thistle continue working at the
hospital until such time as a replacement is brought in. He points out that
there was no emergency back in Canada requiring Thistle’s presence.
The parties came to a
three-part agreement as to what was to happen:
· _Dr. Thistle would
get a furlough to stay in Zimbabwe until after the Salvation Army-supplied
investigating team came and conducted a review. The team was to investigate the
concerns that there were missing monies and materials
· _There would be a
review to see if Thistle could be reinstated during this investigation. Thistle
was supposed to be able to remain there until the completion of the trials of
the nurses who were arrested during the protests in August.
· _A decision as to
the reinstatement of Thistle in Zimbabwe at Howard Hospital would not be
decided until after the review. This reinstatement would allow Thistle return
as a physician and surgeon with the idea that a hospital administrator would be
brought in to handle those duties and free up Thistle to do his medical work.
The Pallants agreed
to these items in the agreement.
Silverman stated that
the Pallants asked him to please not discuss the contents of the meeting,
because they were finding it difficult and the media was pressuring The Salvation
Army to act and they wanted to do their internal investigations. Silverman
agreed to this request and didn’t say anything to any media sources, despite
being asked.
The Pallants also
stated they would speak with The Salvation Army Canada THQ. Shortly after this,
Thistle began receiving communications from Canada THQ stating that the
decision to remove him was final, that they agreed with IHQ that the decision
was absolutely final and to not have any misunderstandings about the finality
of the decision. He was given a date to leave Zimbabwe of October 5th. All
of these messages occurred before the promised investigations were carried out.
Silverman was upset
that the Salvation Army request of him to stay quiet and not speak to the media
to forestall any prejudging the decision of the review and allowing them to
finish their deliberations was misleading. He felt that The Salvation Army
clearly finished their deliberations and were not going to wait for the review
because
September 20, 2013 – Major (Dr.) Eirwen Pallant completed a clinical
assessment of Howard Hospital and stated the hospital continued to be
functional and served the people and more than 200 babies were born last month
(August) and maternal and child health services were operating normally, that
more than 4,000 outpatients had been treated in the past four weeks, there had
been 1,756 inpatient beds nights and there had been more than 100 operations in
the theatre. (* see Dr. Silverman’s assertions below)
September 26, 2012 – Dr. Michael Silverman, as Chief Coordinator of
IFHH, gave an interview to Alex Bell of SW Radio Africa. In this interview, Dr.
Silverman made the following assertions (paraphrased):
· _Dr Thistle chooses
to work at Howard Hospital because he cares and because of his Christian
beliefs
· _Thistle would be
better off financially if he left the Salvation Army and went back to Canada
but he didn’t leave because he cares about the people of Zimbabwe
· _Thistle had no
outside income and lived modestly, like the people of Zimbabwe
· _* The hospital is
in crisis, running at 10%, maybe 20% at best, capacity. Before Thistle left,
the hospital was often operating over-capacity
· _People aren’t coming
to Howard Hospital because Thistle isn’t there
· _The Salvation Army
told Dr. Silverman that someone was coming in December to replace Thistle (early
August 2013 – no replacement surgeon is in place)
· _The Salvation Army
never told Silverman why Thistle was removed in such an “emergency” manner and
long before they had anyone to replace Thistle
· _The Salvation Army
emphasized that the person to replace Thistle will not perform surgery; that
they were going to a “primary care” model of health care, despite the fact that
surgeries have been done at Howard for years. Dr. Silverman stressed that
primary care only would not help those who are found to have issues that
require surgery (such as a woman who finds out via a routine pap test that she
has cancer).
· _The cessation of
the surgical care was not discussed with the surrounding community
· _People came from
throughout Zimbabwe (and even from other countries, such as South Africa and
Botswana) to Howard Hospital because the medical services were affordable.
People were not, however, turned away if they couldn’t pay
· _The fees collected
by Howard Hospital were used to subsidize the hospital. None of the money
charged for services went to Thistle personally – all monies went into the
hospital coffers
· _Generally, there
are no surgeons in rural areas except for Dr. Thistle
· _Between the fees
charged for surgeries and the outside donation funds, these monies were paying
the salaries of the staff. Now that Thistle was gone, there is no money coming
in from donors or surgeries, the staff salaries have been cut in half and the
hospital will soon start having to lay off staff. The hospital economics are no
longer viable without Thistle
· _Dr. Silverman
called Howard Hospital a beacon. He compared how the Howard operated compared
to other hospitals he had volunteered at in other parts of Africa and South
America – he praised how well it ran despite the small amount of resources and
the difficult situation of Zimbabwe. He stated that the Howard did an “amazing job”
and the quality of care given at Howard “was extremely high”. This opinion was
shared by many other doctor and surgeon volunteers
· _The Salvation Army
told Dr. Silverman that the plan was to stop all surgical work at Howard
Hospital – permanently
· _Silverman outlined
the contents of 2 meetings in London with Salvation Army officials
· _Thistle may have
been a whistleblower over missing monies (and equipment)· _Silverman
detailed the events of the meetings with the Pallants at Salvation Army IHQ in
London (see previous event listing of early September). He stated that because
of the actions of the Salvation Army, there was no longer any need for him to
stay silent about the situation
· _Silverman felt the
public needs to know what is going on because it has significant public health
implications
· _The community
surrounding Howard Hospital needed to know and have a say about what was
happening with their health care
· _Alex Bell
addressed the $250,000 grant that was returned. Silverman outlined the details
around the obtaining of the grant, the Salvation Army’s stance on how the grant
money would be handled and accounted for, and how the grant money was returned
to the granting agency
· _The Salvation Army
refused to have transparent accounting and refused to dedicate all the funds to
an HIV program
October 5, 2012 – The date that the furlough granted to the
Thistles by The Salvation Army ended. Canada THQ had ordered the Thistles to
return by this date. This was the second attempt by the Army to get the
Thistles to leave.
Thistle refused to
leave Zimbabwe, despite several attempts to force him onto a plane. Although he
left the hospital grounds within 24 hours of his dismissal, he remained with
family in Harare. He told his mother that he would not leave Zimbabwe until he
knew the fate of his nurses and the Army provided answers to the other vital
questions: where was the money raised in Canada and where did the Army intend
to place him? Until he had solid answers about his own future and the fate of his
nurses, he stood resolute in his beliefs, determined to help and support the
people of the land he grew to love.
Jolinda Cooper


46 comments:
As a personal friend of Paul and Pedrinah Thistle, I can attest to the truth of what Jolinda Cooper has reported here.
IHQ, what are you going to do about this situation? People are still dying in Chiweshe because of your decisions.You can't just say it was the decisions of former leaders. You can make apologies on behalf of TSA, you can try to make some amends, but you choose to do nothing.
Perhaps HH is just one of many in your scale of world wide situations, a few thousand Africans dying because of a resurgence of HIV/AIDS in the Chiweshe region, or people dying from lack of needed surgery - obviously you don't care enough to do something. I so wish you would prove us wrong, but your lack of action (apologies and amends) and your silence proves you don't care about the tragedy caused by TSA's leaders. For Jesus' sake do something.
Otherwise expect more people to be informed of this, expect more donors to stop giving to TSA and expect continued bad press. We will not disappear over this one as long as IHQ does nothing of significance.
Implied threat and blackmail come to mind! Continued bad press? What bad press has there been but a for a few regional tid bits in areas of concern. As some donors choose to spend their donations away from the Salvation Army out of protest to elsewhere, others will do the same towards the SA from elsewhere.
Individuals and organisations that do trust the integrity of the SA will continue to give as generously as they have in in the past. From experience I know how generous and loyal people are.
Its all swings and round abouts as the SA is of course much larger than any single issue such as HH. The danger is to think too parochial as if everything evolves around one single unit.
Nothing new to report but old and dated repetitive info from over 12 months ago?
Why are Africans being treated as second class citizens by the Salvation Army? The terrible decision making of 2012 affecting the health of tens of thousands of people would not have been permitted elsewhere.
"Positive developments" to be published by IHQ in the future will not compensate for the loss of human life in Chiweshe during the past 12 months. A public apology is required. As
Africans we do not have good lawyers but good memories. In Zimbabwe they will have memories of relatives who died. People who were treated by Dr. Thistle for many years died without his care. To them justice will only be served if Dr, Thistle returns to Howard Hospital. A new surgeon will take years to adjust to the language and culture of Zimbabwe, if he lasts that long. Has anyone invited Dr. Thistle to return to Howard Hospital?
A concerned Kenyan
If you read about events in Zimbabwe, you realise that it is a very corrupt country, where good people are forced to do things they don't want to, just to survive. But you do expect different from church leaders, and it's shocking to rob poor people who have been thrifty in trying to save.
There are some Christians, indeed I knew one or two - not in Africa - who just 'lived by faith' and had no regular income, but who trusted God and somehow managed to have all their needs met. We have sadly moved away from this 'total faith' concept, and corruption seems to be the result.
I think there are numerous cases in Africa - a friend of mine told me about instances in Ghana where SA soldiers are not happy with the financial credibility of their leaders, and these are poor people who are urged by their officers to give more than they can afford to church funds.
It's very sad.
To 'concerned Kenyan'. My heart goes out to you and your people. Indeed, I feel guilty for living in the West where this tragic decision was taken. Many of the contributors to this blog have repeatedly asked SA leaders for an explanation of WHY they did this to your community.
You and yours are constantly in our prayers, and although just as powerless as you are in this instance, we will continue to lobby TSA for an explanation and some restoration.
May God bless you.
Concerned Kenyan -
If you are in East Kenya Territory, your own Commissioner Chigariro would be a good person to speak with. She was the Commissioner that gave Dr. Thistle 48 hours to leave Zimbabwe. She told the press that it was being done "for the good of the church". She also intimated that if the Thistles did not leave Zimbabwe, they may be forced out of the church (which happened - their officership rank was removed). And she criticized the Thistles for fighting to stay, saying that they were being disloyal to the Salvation Army.
I don't believe the Thistles have been invited back, and I doubt they ever will be invited back. When she was General, Linda Bond told a group of concerned donors that there was nothing anyone could say that would put the Thistles back at Howard Hospital.
A suggestion made to Major Dean Pallant to transport patients to Karanda Hospital (where the Thistles are serving now, under the umbrella of another church-based mission agency), and that suggestion was ignored, even though a brand new ambulance was donated to the Howard Hospital in November of last year.
Sending mid-level 'insiders', with blind loyalty to their seniors, to investigate allegation of corruption and misspending by a Territorial Commander and expecting anything but a clean bill of health lacks credulity!
Truthfulness above blind trust is what's expected from Christian leaders. Why not be straight with us? What were the singular allegation made by Captain Thistle and what were your findings Majors Pallants?
USA
' trust the integrity of the SA'??????
What integrity might that be?
'INTEGRITY' means wholeness, soundness, uprightness, honesty.
Please tell us how decimating the healthcare of a whole community of poor people can be related to any of the above? What is remotely Christian about it?
Your ridiculous statement of 'implied threat and blackmail' shames you. What can we mere mortals do to the might of the great SA? Not a lot – you are correct there. Your arrogance is breathtaking. Don't forget, though, that the SA that you think is impenetrable is but a man-made organisation raised up by God to do His work. Anyone with an ounce of Christian compassion will realise that this deprivation of healthcare can not be the actions of people who are motivated by the Holy Spirit.
And what God raised up, He can also break down. Vast empires have bitten the dust before now. He is a God of justice as well as a God of love, and He doesn't sleep.
The central verse of the Bible - psalm 118 verse 8 - says 'It is better to trust in God than to put confidence in man'. The oh-so mighty Salvation Army is just that - man-made. But in order to flourish it needs the motivation of the Holy Spirit. You only have to look at the results so far - Karanda hospital is flourishing - you can go to its website and practically touch the warmth of the Spirit's workings there. Information about its physical and spiritual work is plain for all to see.
Go to Howard Hospital website - what do you see? Nothing but old information, defensive destruction of websites, obfuscation - as if it died in August 2012. And the information actually available is not at all complimentary to TSA. Not a good testament for an allegedly Christian unit which is supposed to care for suffering humanity, not destroy it.
You also state that 'The danger is to think too parochial as if everything evolves around one single unit' - well, parochialism IS what makes Christianity tick, in case you didn't know. The Gospel is for the individual - it's all about a PERSONAL salvation, not an organisational issue at all. ONE person is important to God – not the might of a self-righteous movement which has forgotten its roots.
Some words in Deuteronomy say this:
‘You turned away from God, your Creator; you forgot the Mighty Rock, the source of your life. You were the Lord’s children, but you made him angry.
Then he rejected you and said, “You are unfaithful and can’t be trusted.
So I won’t answer your prayers; I’ll just watch and see what happens to you’.
My God exists over and above all earthly powers, and His consideration is for His children and His kingdom. In your arrogance you may have forgotten that the Chiweshe people are God’s children too, and He cares for them every much as those who are more fortunate materially.
You can exist in your sterile little bubble in your comfortable existence making your self-satisfied, smug remarks only because God allows you to. Transport yourself thousands of miles to the Chiweshe community - imagine you are one of those people - put yourself in their shoes - then make your callous remarks.
You deride all who comment in defence of these people, but in so doing you debase yourself. You defend TSA as if it is a bastion of eternal duration. It is but chaff in the heavenly scheme of things, useful to God only as long as it carries out His will and His values. I don’t see His will or His values in this attack on defenceless people by our 'spiritual' leaders who should have known better.
O dear........ ;);)
General Cox stop hiding you will have to deal with this! No further cover up please.
Go, Anonymous! Go! Forward!
Perhaps you might like to identify yourself.
As for 'one sigle unit' Jesus taught us about looking out for the single issue/person in his Parable of the 99 and seeking out the one straying. If William Booth had not gone for the single issue would the SA exist today?
to the anonymous who said, "Continued bad press? What bad press has there been but a for a few regional tid bits in areas of concern."
I could not begin to list here all the links to bad press articles published in Africa but in Canada check out the Peterborough Examiner, check out a lengthy exposee written for the Huffington Post by Dr. Michael Silverman and Sarah Zelcer. News of this debacle reached media across Canada - a newspaper in Halifax covered the story - plus Allan Bacon, the employee who was a former Director of World and Overseas Services THQ Canada, put his exposee of this situation on the internet, as did Jolinda Cooper in what she called the Final Report.
'Bad Press' will continue as increasing numbers of people hear about the story. The National Broadcasting network in Canada (the CBC) has apparently picked up on the story because some people have already been interviewed by them.
Dr. Paul Thistle is just not any ordinary SA officer, even if IHQ regards him as such. He is probably higher profile in the outside world than in the Army. His front line contribution to research and application in fighting HIV/AIDS in Africa is monumentous - he's a giant in the field. The way IHQ has dealt with the HH situation is as if the Vatican had thrown Mother Theresa under the bus. I don't think I'd be too quick as you are, to belittle the impact of 'bad press' on TSA.
And by the way, please educate me - what exactly does ;);) mean? I am aware of :) and :( but not your symbol. I assume it's something said in sarcasm.
To 'O dear........ ;);)' - When do you ever say anything of spiritual significance? Your style betrays you, and your snide comments are a poor reflection of humanity.
If I had one wish I would place it in the hope that you won first prize in a competition to spend a week in the Howard hospital area with the people you so casually dismiss with your comments. I don't think you'd be making so many insolent remarks then.
You are very rude by penning your comments in such a way. You show no respect to the suffering, no respect to Dr Thistle and his family, and also no respect to the people who have supported them and are heartbroken with the situation. All your loyalty appears to be for TSA who caused it in the first place. Be careful where you place such loyalty - the organisation has a habit of spitting out those who cross it. If you can't say anything to support, please - say nothing.
To the blogger who said 'Nothing new to report but old and dated repetitive info from over 12 months ago?'
What do you expect? Articles cascading from heaven?
Supporters of this case cannot fabricate reports to suit enquirers, nor would they want to do so. Maybe if TSA said something honourable amongst the ash of the figurative conflagration they lit last year all by themselves the discussion could move to another level. But their continued arrogant silence precludes this and hardens hearts towards them, so your comment was rather pointless - all it did was to state the obvious.
A couple of weeks ago, I had been told that IHQ sent Major John Murray to Howard Hospital to review the situation. This was verified by personnel on the ground in Zimbabwe.
At this time, we have yet to have any response from IHQ regarding any previous requests for answers to questions, nor have we seen (as far as I can tell) any feedback from Murray's trip to HH.
My report entitled "The Final Report", was titled that way, so that I could identify the "final" copy of the report to be published on this blog and on the report storage location in Google Drive.
By no means and in no way to I feel that the tragedy for the people of Chiweshe ended when that report was published. The tragedy continues, and will continue to be a tragedy until the Army steps up and actually does something.
Yes, General Andre Cox may have a Facebook page and a Twitter account. But I honestly don't believe that anything posted on either FB or Twitter gets directly to him without being washed through gatekeepers who are intent on keeping any and all "unpleasantness" away from the General. The only way unpleasant things will get to the General is after a careful whitewashing...
I am the author of the comment regarding the Facebook & Twitter access to the General. I neglected to identify myself.
Dear, oh dear ;);)
Such eloquence defies description and contributes nothing.
I have followed this tragedy from the first article, with varying emotions, none of which enhance my relationship to TSA, a movement I have belonged to most of my life.
I am disgusted with the way the leadership have ignored the comments of many of its members - they have poured contempt on each person who has sought some redress for the chasm in trust they have engendered through their sinful actions.
I am also disgusted with the unconcern they have shown for the plight of the people previously treated at the Howard hospital.
An I am further incensed at the way they have treated Dr Thistle, a doctor who has eschewed worldly wealth in choosing to act out his Christian calling to heal people living in poverty, also living among them in their primitive surroundings to do this work.
I commend Dr Thistle - he is teaching his boys the most important things in life - the true value of a human soul, and the courage to stand up for what is right, regardless of the consequences.
I do hope this isn't the 'final' report on this issue. Yes, it is going over old ground, but that is because TSA provides nothing new. There must come a time of reckoning, though, and as a previous blogger said, it will be in God's timing, not ours.
"Maybe if TSA said something honourable amongst the ash of the figurative conflagration they lit last year all by themselves the discussion could move to another level."
Yes, I believe that too, downward of course to below gutter level? There is no cosy, mutual, honourable discussion to be had through any internet blog...don't be so naïve....dog devouring dog comes to mind!
Cosy? Mutual? Gutter level? If that's your opinion, why are you on here? Surely it's not worthy of your interest? The fact that you've written your 'blog' contribution decries that.
Information for the person quoting dog devouring dog - the translation from the original Latin phrase is actually - dogs do not eat dogs. Your quote is an incorrect dilution of the original.
Not that this changes anything about the reality of the discussion topic.
'Dog eats dog' was a UK game show with an element of revenge being exacted.
Whoever got the most votes would be asked to do the challenge in a fight for survival. (In the event of a tie the last person to go to the losers bench got the casting vote, which was neat because it allowed one of the losers to extract revenge on one of the people who thought they'd fail before.)
Correctness comes from a certain perspective, so does incorrectness!
It is obvious that from a FSAOF perspective this matter has come to a stale stalemate (standstill?) with the definitive 'final report' not being so 'final' after all. All there is now is repetitive rehashing with nothing new to add in an attempt to keep the matter from slipping into obscurity. A picture of a pack of rottweilers with a bone comes into my imagination.
I do understand that for some here the continuing deafening silence by the main parties involved - IHQ and Dr Thistle (especially TSA's)is highly galling and have left people wondering as to why they have been so slighted by professional officialdom. This is not going to change at any time in the future.
That the writing of literally hundreds of thousands of words have failed to make any significant wider impact beyond a limited group of people must be very disappointing indeed. People may think that that the whole (SA) world knows about the HH saga, the stark reality is that it does not feature largely beyond a limited English speaking audience in certain parts of the world.
Providing 'cosy armchair' advocacy for the people of Chiwese is one thing, and quite cheap/ easy but what are the compassionate people on this FSAOF blog doing practically on the ground to assist suffering humanity in this particular area of Zimbabwe? Don't leave it just up to others, go, get up and actually do something through other NGO care organisations if you can not trust the SA to come up with the goods any longer.
A good way forward could be to ask Dr Thistle for advice and for organisational contacts in the Chiwese area to be made available.
Maybe the FSAOF could set up the 'CHIWESE DISASTER FUND'?
For goodness sake, people are dying there! Do something practically rather than wringing your hands. Having so strongly identified with the need, the onus and responsibility surely must lie with those who have claimed ownership of the situation?
Be blessed
'Do something practically...' that's rich.
The onus and responsibility surely lies with the Salvation Army, who were the instigators of this debacle and who have the wherewithal to put things right? And how would you expect ordinary people with no international contacts to 'do' anything practical? The statement is ludicrous, as you well know.
It beggars belief, though, that the people calling for action are the people at the bottom of the ‘Army’ pile, who get preached to every week by these people who are now exhibiting such sinful behaviour towards this large group of disadvantaged people – hypocrites comes to mind.
Your analogy of ‘rottweilers’ is intriguing. You may or not know much about the breed. They used to herd livestock and pull carts laden with butchered meat and other products to market, but now have a different useful role following industrialization when railways replaced droving. They are now used as search and rescue dogs, as guide dogs for the blind, as guard dogs or police dogs, and in other roles.
And in an event widely reported by the media, a UK Rottweiler named Jake was recognised for his bravery by the RSPCA. Jake chased off a man as he molested a woman on Hearsall Common, Coventry, in July 2009. He located the attacker and his victim in thick scrub, chased off the attacker, led his owner to the scene, then stood guard over the victim until police arrived. The attacker was convicted of serious sexual assault and jailed for four years. Jake was nominated by police for the bravery award and medallion after the incident.
So they are dogs with courage. And the bone? Obvious evidence of something that was killed by something/someone more powerful, and through no fault of its own. Make your own comparison.
You say TSA’s silence leaves us wondering why we have been so slighted by ‘professional officialdom’ – is that a new term for people called by God to act out His ministry? ‘Officialdom’ is ‘the outlook or behaviour of officials, especially those rigidly adhering to regulations; bureaucracy’. Says it all – rules are more important than people to leaders of a Christian movement. Unbelievable.
I don’t feel ‘slighted’ personally – the people who have been ‘slighted’ by TSA are the people of Chiweshe – your concern should be for them, not us. We haven’t suffered – it is these poor people who have taken the brunt of the ‘officialdom’ of TSA, and who continue to do so.
You say ‘the stark reality is that it does not feature largely beyond a limited English speaking audience in certain parts of the world’.
It features hugely in the life of a person from Chiweshe with HIV/AIDS who can’t get the drugs he/she needs.
It features hugely in the life of the average Chiweshe resident who cannot get healing for their wounds/ injuries/ailments/diseases.
It features hugely in the life of the pregnant women who can’t get the drugs to save their children from a life with AIDS/HIV. How would you feel if it were YOUR child? I imagine you wouldn’t be so dismissive if that were the case.
You also ask ‘what are the compassionate people on this FSAOF blog doing practically on the ground to assist suffering humanity in this particular area of Zimbabwe?’
Even to you, you must realise that this statement is ludicrous. Perhaps you could suggest ‘how’.
You seem quite passionate about the fact that people are dying. You actually say ‘For goodness sake, people are dying there! Do something practically rather than wringing your hands’.
If you are so concerned by the impassioned plea of the people who write here, what exactly do YOU intend to do? Why are you so protective of TSA, who in this case is NOT acting in a Christlike way? Are you in a more privileged 'Army' position than the rest of us? You certainly appear to have ‘insider’ information about TSA. If so, and you are sitting idly by while more people perish, you should hang your head in shame. It’s one thing to raise concerns, pray, plead etc as we have, but if you actually could do something about at and don’t, then that is doubly shameful.
To whoever said 'Maybe the FSAOF could set up the 'CHIWESE DISASTER FUND'?
And who would we entrust this to - the surgeon that isn't there?
"A good way forward could be to ask Dr Thistle for advice and for organisational contacts in the Chiwese area to be made available"
Therein lies a possible solution?
I am sure Dr Thistle will be able to identify NGO organisations and other religious caregiving in this particular area that are doing a grand job with the vulnerable people of Chiweshe, and do it in the name of Christ. And I am pretty sure that this great guy will not mind if any practical help went to the people he loves and served with all his heart for 17 years rather than it going to the Karanda area instead.
Redirecting precious life saving resources to Karanda from the Chiweshe poor and suffering is like robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Whatever the SA may or may not have done or is doing does not absolve those who commit comfortable armchair advocacy from thousands of miles away from practical involvement on the ground.
"And who would we entrust this to - the surgeon that isn't there?"
Does it really depend on one person - however capable etc?
Surely there must be others working with and on behalf of this particular population group inside and outside the Salvation Army?
If your genuine care concern is specifically for this section of the Zimbabwean population - and God has laid it on your heart to make a real difference, then BE the difference.
I do not claim to have a specific God given concern for this particular population group. My personal concern is directed to and focussed elsewhere.
'Be true to self'
'Be true to self' - how sad.
Sad? not at all! Class me as one of the happier persons alive, fully alive in Christ ;);)
This above all; to thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man. William Shakespeare
It is the chiefest point of happiness that a man is willing to be what he is. Desiderius Erasmus
It takes courage to grow up and become who you really are. e.e. cummings
Be yourself. Above all, let who you are, what you are, what you believe, shine through every sentence you write, every piece you finish. John Jakes
He who travels in search of something which he has not got, travels away from himself and grows old even in youth among old things. Ralph Waldo Emerson
A wise man never loses anything if he has himself. Michel de Montaigne
Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. Oscar Wilde
Hateful to me as the gates of Hades is that man who hides one thing in his heart and speaks another. Homer
If God had wanted me otherwise, He would have created me otherwise.
Johann von Goethe
Once conform, once do what others do because they do it, and a kind of lethargy steals over all the finer senses of the soul. Michel de Montaigne
Proverbs 15:33
Showing respect to the Lord will make you wise, and being humble will bring honor to you.
Exodus 15:2
The Lord is my strength, the reason for my song, because he has saved me. I praise and honor the Lord— he is my God.
Psalm 29:2
Honor the wonderful name of the Lord, and worship the Lord most holy and glorious.
Psalm 96:6
Give honor and praise to the Lord, whose power and beauty fill his holy temple.”
1 Peter 3:15
Honor Christ and let him be the Lord of your life.
Romans 12:2 ESV
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Matthew 22:37 ESV
And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
Matthew 6:33 ESV
But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Galatians 1:10 ESV
For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
Acts 17:28 ESV
For “‘In him we live and move and have our being’; as even some of your own poets have said, “‘For we are indeed his offspring.’
I know which ones I'd rather follow. May God bless you in spite of your philosophising. True wisdom and true 'self worth' is found in God's word.
Thank you for your generous spirit, God is blessing me richly -with a very happy life not 'in spite of' but because life is positively realistic, holistic and complimentary.
'Life is great! So sing about it, as we can and was we should@ SASB 544
"Be yourself. Above all, let who you are, what you are, what you believe, shine through every sentence you write, every piece you finish." John Jakes
'SASB 544' - your choice is interesting -another song with no direct reference to God - it just mentions Him as a man. My 'tongue in cheek' response above was the result of my observation that you avoid His name in all your references, that's all. I've seen it on some of your previous musings. Maybe if He is blessing you, you could give Him some of the glory - that's all.
Don't bother to reply - I know it's nothing to do with me, and contributes nothing to the HH debate. It was merely an observation. May God continue to bless you.
Someone above wrote 'I am sure Dr Thistle will be able to identify NGO organisations and other religious caregiving in this particular area that are doing a grand job with the vulnerable people of Chiweshe, and do it in the name of Christ'.
According to statements from IHQ they are in control of the situation at Howard Hospital and everything there is hunky dory (despite the fact that in this publicity-seeking organisation there is not one iota of news regarding this).
So why would we need to 'identify' any other NGOs if TSA is doing such a great job there?
I suspect because the truth is far from this.
Of course I want to reply, especially when you want to silence me into oblivion.
May God bless you too as much he is blessing me.....and I do give him all the glory, honour and praise;););)
Now, is that better?
Life is certainly worth living and I am enjoying it to the full...hope and pray you do too.
Have a good Sunday in Christian ministry
"Someone above wrote 'I am sure Dr Thistle will be able to identify NGO organisations and other religious caregiving in this particular area that are doing a grand job with the vulnerable people of Chiweshe, and do it in the name of Christ'."
If you do not trust TSA then use another NGO in the Chiweshe area that you can trust with your donations. TSA is surely not the only care giving group in that large area. If your heart is breaking and bleeding for those poor people there then at least do something positive by making a difference through another organisation - possibly identified and certified as 'safe' by Dr Thistle.
Surely, the perceived failure of TSA at HH does not absolve you and others who claim an active interest in the Chiweshe people as whole.
Just to assist you with making your informed choice:
Mashonaland Centre
Karanda Mission Hospital
Howard Hospital
Nhowe Hospital
Mashonaland West
Karoi Hospital
Chinhoyi Provincial Hospital
Chegutu Hospital
St Michael`s Hospital
You have not addressed the question 'So why would we need to 'identify' any other NGOs if TSA is doing such a great job there?'
The main issue here is one of trust. You do not trust TSA with your donations, so find a different outlet that you do trust. Clear and simple?
I certainly would not give to any organisation that is not trustworthy and is made up of thieves and robbers. We all have choices and it is up to us to utilize those to the max.
May your donation to the Chiweshe people be a very generous one!
You still haven't answered the question. And you miss the point. If TSA was fully functional at the HH as it says it is, there would be no question about donations. Naturally if you are a member of an organisation your first loyalty is to give to it. I WANT to continue to give to TSA, but you are correct. The main issue here IS one of trust.
As you are unable to give an assurance as to the Salvation Army's current involvement regarding treating patients in Chiweshe, can I take it that the defensive statements that have been issued by IHQ are not verifiable?
All I'm asking for is a straight answer. It shouldn't be too difficult, surely?
I am afraid there was no point to miss.....the best informed persons to ask will be the International Secretary for Africa or the Zimbabwean Chief Secretary for an accurate update. Or you could try Major Dean Pallant;);)
Why does that not fill me with confidence????? I rest my case.
I thought you might... so predictable ;)
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