Friday, April 16, 2010

MUST WE LEAVE THE DEAR OLD FLAG?

I was, until very recently, an active officer. There have been some unfortunate turn of events for us here in our Territory in recent weeks. We had begun a very informal discussion with our Divisional Commander about trying to be creative in corps ministry, specifically with regards to offering to be tent-makers as well as work through some theological convictions about leadership. Our corps is in a poor urban area and was running at a major deficit, around £44,000 ($68,000.00) per year with an income of little more than £2000...and even that was very difficult to raise! We were offering to find outside employment to help offset budget burdens, but also seeking to pioneer ways for the future patterns of ministry, which may prove to be more sustainable in the long term. We were also trying to say that program based ministry in several post-Christendom inner city communities were not working, which we have proved in these last two years. The DC was willing to explore all this but we were very much aware that he himself was moving. It didn’t leave us with much hope.


We hastily felt at that time such concern that our main 'hope' in the situation was moving out, and having already spent so much energy and effort to raise funds, compromise on program issues and build an inner city corps with basically my wife, me and two soldiers, we felt at a complete loss. Our passion for the Lord and for the mission of the Army has not waned but we just could not see a way forward without becoming increasingly exhausted and frustrated by the whole experience. We could see so clearly what needed to happen for things so progress but feared there was just a lack of time and support to see things move on. We offered our resignation because we didn't know what else to do. It totally went against the grain of who we are.


After receiving our resignation letter, we spoke further with our DC who offered that we should write our vision for ministry down and send it to the Secretary for Personnel, who would be coming to see us the following week so that there might be some discussion. So that document, along with some convictions we were trying to work through were forwarded to him at THQ. In the documents, we offered how we could see things progress. The SP came to visit, however what followed was just so heart breaking. We found to our utter dismay that he had not, in fact come to talk about a way forward, but to conduct our exit interview. He said that he had spoken with a few people at THQ about our proposals and that they had said; 'nothing was available to us.' This broke our hearts...not just because they had nothing for us, but also because it felt as if the Army were just willing to let us walk away so easily without at least some discussion of the issues.


Having shared our heart and more than one or two tears, the SP conceded that he would go back to THQ and engage in more talks. A few days later, we received word asking if we would consider an appointment which would also leave us free to begin planting a corps organically in the community where we lived in, our 'spare time.' This is one of the suggestions we originally proposed, so we, of course, said yes without delay although all the while sad that there wasn’t much hope of changing things in the current appointment where we had spent so much time and effort expanding the ministry in difficult conditions. A week later, we took a week of furlough relieved that we were going to be able to continue to serve as officers in two roles that we felt were very possible and potentially very fruitful that would result in a double beneficial blessing to the Army.


We returned from furlough and the DC requested to come visit with an update wherein he shared that; “the board had met, however they had not agreed on the appointment they suggested, and that they had instead accepted our resignation.” I cannot describe in words very adequately how this has made us feel. God knows we love the Army, but it just hurts so much, especially when we had thought there was a way forward and that, in effect, our resignation was withdrawn in spite of us not having submitted any paperwork to that effect. We had simply assumed that our willingness to move forward was understood as willingness, certainly in the context of the level of certainty contained in the offer of the alternative appointment.


If we rescind our resignation, we are back to square one in this appointment...feeling pressure to find significant funds and build on a pattern that is unsustainable and which is taking more out of us that we can physically bear. It is not just finance however, we can’t plough our lives into a pattern of ministry that we don’t feel is sustainable in the long term. In spite of feeling that the acceptance of our resignation was rather hasty, especially without further discussion, we just don't know what our challenging it will accomplish and feel we have little option but to move on. The implications for our family are enormous...we are both in our early 30s, with two young children, and have led Salvation Army corps for close to 9 years. We worked for the Army before training so we have few other skills or workplace experience. Going straight to work in corps leadership from full time education at the age of 20 has meant we have no savings, and very little else in way of experience in the world of work.


Having said all that, we are not without hope. We believe that the hand of the Lord is upon us and has led us to this point. We simply must trust him for the next step. He is faithful, and he will do it.


TWO COVENANTED SERVANTS
(names on file)

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sad, sad read!!!

Praying for you. It's at times like this we really discover:

'I'm in His hands
I'm in His hands
Whate're the future holds
I'm in His hands.'

I am not sure I can honestly say I believe the next part to this verse:

'The days I cannot see
Have all been planned for me'

... but I do believe God will use for His good if we allow Him to. And I do believe:

"His way is best you see
I'm in His hands'

Praying you will have the security of knowing this for yourselves and the certainty that:

'All things work together for good for those who love God are called according to His purpose' Romans 8
Active UKT

Anonymous said...

Heart-wrenching crisis!

If you'd find communicating with those of us who were in similar situations helpful, just say so. There are more than 300 of us in this fellowship who truly care. Sven will put you in touch with those who can be helpful.

You're in my prayers and hope you won't have reason to be joining our fellowship!

FORMER
USA South

Anonymous said...

If $$$ is the main obstacle, we (FSAOF) can assist you.

I believe our fellowship can promise support in the amount of $500.00 a month for a period of at least 6 months.

And, many of us have professional experience and can perhaps suggest ways to garner income in the city where you're serving.

Former
USA EAST

Gary Laws, former USA Central said...

These decisions are always difficult and I am not the best to offer advise, except to say that you will have no leverage to improve circumstances once you are a former. I would carefully consider withdrawing your resignation and remaining active until some other plan becomes evident.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if you are recent visitors to this blog site, but a reading of some of the hundreds of earlier articles may prove helpful. Many who were in very similar circumstances with support lacking, regret leaving the flag! While it's true that the majority of us sought God's leading, and remained true to our covenants, TSA remains where God could best have used many of us. Too often pride drives both the individual and organization, and the assembled majority generally 'wins', with or without wisdom or compassion.

Pray and think long on your decision.

Returned former - Active

FORMER SALVATION ARMY OFFICERS FELLOWSHIP said...

Support, financial, professional (business and counseling), prayer, etc. is yours for the asking...

Many blessings, sven

professir said...

Having "been there, done that".....twice.....I have given up on TSA. I am going where God is at work, and where the Church isnt the means of prosecution! Before you jump up and down at my words, ask yourself, how many stories like this have you heard?

Dave Collins said...

Apparently it doesn't matter where in the world officers are stationed now. The leadership of The SA is way out of touch with reality and not willing to change...whether it's for the good of The SA or not. And in that mindset people get officers get hurt.

It has been almost 2 years since my wife and I initially met with our DC about concerns at our corps and state command. We resigned a month later. I have to say though, at least your SP met with you. Ours wouldn't even consider giving us the respect or time. No regrets, brother! God is moving greatly outside the Army. My wife and I are both active at the Wesleyan Church we've been attending since we stepped out. She is preaching this Sunday in fact. Stay strong and trust in Him!

Still In His Grip,

Anonymous said...

This situation is amazingly similar to what happened to my wife and I in 2000-01 in the Western Territory. We were told there was nothing for us following an appointment that we could not help "recover." We were given the option to resign, or to face the ORB tossing us on the street. We did the former. We have now become pastors in another denomination, but find the mindset here much the same as our "leaders" in the Army.

Mainline denominations will not survive unless they find ways for their ministers to function given the way things work in this gae, and not in the age that most of our leaders are stuck.

Our prayers go out to you and your family. We pray that you will find a God annointed path that will let you serve where your heart is.

Gormer, USA West

Anonymous said...

I am the writer of the post. I appreciate the comments.

We have taken considerable advice on the circumstances we are in. I have to say that its not just the money. I accept that the style of ministry we have been proposing is vastly out of the box and we are indeed resigned to the fact that the Army could say no to what we proposed. What we are most concerned about is the way it has been dealt with, so there are two almost seperate issues.

Even if we retracted our resignation and stayed put in our current appointment, we would still be having to invest in a style of ministry that does not really match the needs of the community adequately. Having been here nearly two years, we at least know this much.

At this point in time, I don't particularly feel able to continue given the experience we've had...trust has been broken. It is certainly beginning to affect my health and general wellbeing.

I have to say that whilst I wrote the article, I didn't chose the title and although officership may be coming to an end, our service as soldiers will not end. We believe that we may actually be able to minister more freely and in ways more suited to our calling and gifting if we leave.

Our greatest need leaving is financial to ensure we have enough money to pay advance rent on a property and to keep us afloat until we can establish work and we are trusting the Lord for this. The termination grant will help but not for long.

We have had overwhelming support from Salvationists around the world and we are grateful for it.

every blessing

Anonymous said...

Should you decide, and should the army approve for you to remain in your appointment, I believe there are many 'formers' who would gladly visit with you in your corps setting. I'm proposing a type 'service corps' made up of experienced formers, able to come for a period of three weeks to assist on a rota schedule, with a 'new and fresh' arrival the first of each month. Our quarters would be in the thick of your parish.

The FSAOF could assist in paying for transportation and accommodation.

Former UKT

Elizabeth Hogan-Hayduk said...

I am so sorry for your pain & disillusionment. There are so many w/similar heart-wrenching stories of lack of pastoral care & sensitivity from our "superior" officers. Ours was a similar story to yours: we were in our late 20s, w/a preemie baby, in a large rural area, w/a couple of soldiers & less than a doz. kids. My dh wanted to complete training in psych. & use it in mens' soc., for e.g., The DC asked, "What good would it be to the Army for you to get a degee in psych.?" Whoa! Def. no "forward-thinking" on his part, not even "current needs" thinking! We also had no savings, & we faced the daunting challenge of figuring out "what next?" My dh went back to school in his hometown area, where he made arrangements w/his dad for us to stay in a basement apt. of a rental unit in exchange for maintenance. We then moved across country to my hometown area, where he completed his masters & PhD. in psych. During that time period, I ran a home daycare to help w/fam. income, while he took out loans & got some scholarships. I also returned to school in the evenings--when he was home to watch the boys; we had our 2nd child while he was working on his thesis. We have been living in SC, USA, since DH graduated in '96. He is a prof. of psych., as well as chair of the Soc. Sci. division at a private Christian university. Our eldest son graduated in '08; your youngest son is finishing his sr. yr. & will be attending the same university where his dad works. Oul eldest son is autistic, & not able to complete university studies.

We have no regrets about resigning from officership. Our eldest son required lots of care as a newborn, but for all of his life, too. The Army's demands on our time, the lack of support, & the painful realization that they were not interested in our personal well-being was very painful to us. However, as a stay-at-home mom, I had the time to devote to our spec. needs son. Plus, our youngest is gifted--so, that gave me the time I needed to spend w/him, too. In fact, I home schooled our boys for about 1/2 the time we've been here.

We still have many opportunities for ministry: I bake for 3 dif. library branches, 2 post offices, my sons' teachers & aides, seniors in our community, w/whomm I visit on a reg. basis. I still am active in our autistic son's former spec. class, which I visit mthly w/treats & at Christmas for doing crafts w/them.

Sorry: this is a long post. I've taken the time to share it w/you, b/c I want you to be encouraged! YOU CAN & WILL REBUILD YOUR LIVES! Your lives can be just as fulfilling w/out the specific avenues of Army ministries. I thought that, once I took off my uniform, I had no identity, no way to open doors to ministry. But I was so very wrong, b/c it's God Whom opens the doors. So, I started praying--those many yrs. ago--"Lord, open my eyes to the doors You are opening."

Praying for your family. Come to the formers FB & vent when you need to, ask for prayer when you want to--we are here to "stand in the gap" for ea. other. Ask how others rebuilt there lives after Officership--the stories will be varied & may give you some ideas that you can use for springboards in your own planning. Many blessings to you & your family. You are precious in God's sight, even if the Army's "superior" (I really use that term very loosely!) officers only saw you "through a glass dimly".

FloridaFlamingo said...

My heart aches and breaks for you. Help will come in many ways, most of which will surprise you greatly. Continued service will come the same way.

Give yourselves plenty of time to grieve and resettle into a different world. And take Sven up on his offer. He knows us all pretty darn well and can best match you up with those who could be of most help in a variety of manners. That said I think I speak for most of us in saying we love you and pray for you and will encourage you in all ways whatever path you follow.

Anonymous said...

We always say that God is faithful and He truly is - but these days the leadership of the Army seem to be so!

Why do we nurture those living on the streets and yet we can't can't help those who do the nurturing? I think that many of us who click into this site have many heartaches in this area, but the Lord lead me thru' a difficult time of resignation and I know that He will lead you too-

I will be praying for you.

God bless you and your family.
FORMER
Canada Territory

Anonymous said...

My heart aches for you, dear ones, loved of God. As you grieve this loss, and grieve you must, remember that we are to walk "through" the valley of the shadow of death. It would be so easy to stay there, become bitter and angy, and yet as you walk through the valley you will recognize that God is with you, His rod and staff comforting you.

Be aware, also, that there are many, many people praying for you, supporting you, caring for you. Lean into the resistance. You will come out as gold.

Anonymous said...

Even with the talk of change in how TSA operates this highlights some of the deficiencies in methods in TSA.
A creative caring couple basically being forced out

John Stephenson
Canada

Jeffery T. Bassett said...

Simply know that God is faithful!
Simply know we stand with you and are ready to walk with you...no judgement, no guilt trip, motivated by the love of Jesus!

Former USA East
pastor@livingwaterchurchministries.org

Anonymous said...

Is it ultimately money or ministry?????????????

Anonymous said...

Perhaps with different leaders this consideration of resigning would never have come to life. I know that you may feel betrayed and that trust is at a loss. There is a place for you at God's table. He cares and I will be praying for you. For my wife and I things have become better and better after exiting over a year ago. We feel a sense of freedom. We still serve but not as officers.

Blessings to you and the family.

USA East former

Anonymous said...

Stories like this (and the one in the posting about the officer who wanted to pursue higher education and was met coldly by his DC) really get to me. When I consider that through the years I've had two corps officers who were in the middle of scandalous activities only to be asked if they wanted another appointment after their ruining their corps, it makes my blood boil to hear that caring people are forced to resign. It also makes one wonder just what kind of people are running the store at all the various HQs!

Yet having left soldiership to attend other churches at different times in my life I seem to keep coming back to where my heart is (TSA) because the truth is the same shenanigans go on in all of the other denominations too. And anyone who thinks that non-denominational churches are going to be any better are headed for a big surprise! God only knows how his will ever gets accomplished in this world!

A Salvationist USA Central

Anonymous said...

USA Southern Territory

And the story repeats itself. I believe this is an area that the general should look into.

There are thousands of CO leaving (even though they truly don't want to leave the ministry) due to lack of understanding and communication with the DC and staff. It is very sad.

One thing I like about this story is that there was some communication and an exit interview. Me and my husband never had one. We resign on a temporary basis due to the illness of a child. We began the reinstatement process when she was better. This process has been very demaining. Twice we were informed in writing that we were reaccepted, we sold everything and were ready for our appointment, to be told they changed their mind. Twice we had to re-establish ourselves financially and settle with our family. There is never going to be a third. We bought a house and we are established. I know that SA will be judged for their acts in regards to how they are treating CO's as they are resigning, exiting, or being discharged. I love the SA, but this breaks my heart. This needs to stop!

Anonymous said...

USA Southern,
I wish that I could disagree with you but I can't. Facts are facts. With the many exits, you would think that common sense would dictate that something is seriously wrong. Divisional Commanders and other leaders need to be better at understanding their troops. Too many are out of touch. So much has been invested , then to just have corps officers walk away without much of any understanding and empathy is pathetic. Yes there is a price to pay and some of it is in the here and now.

My wife and I left after many years for basic personal reasons. I was surprised how immature our Divisional Commander was. All he was worried about was that a corps would be inconvenienced for a very short time. He did not care for us. It was very evident. He spent 15 minutes with us because he was told to by THQ.

Often officers leave the dear old flag because of insensitive leaders. It is often a lack of trust and proposals and promises that are not kept. This sends a confusing message that the leader is playing games. The sad part is that it may be a long time before someone at IHQ or elsewhere will make the proper changes before many other corps officers exit .

Former-USA

Anonymous said...

My heart goes out to you as a family at this time of heart wrenching and decision making that will affect the whole direction of your still long future working life in Christian ministry.

I believe that there has not been one officer who has not considered resignation and a change of direction in their career - including myself having posted 'that' letter to THQ. There are 1001 reasons why people feel the need to do this at any one time and there should be no guilt trip attached to it. This is part and parcel of real life.Dietrich Bonhoffer calls this 'costly grace'. Nor should pride stop us withdrawing 'that' letter should we see that proverbial light at the end of the dark tunnel and different possibilities and opportunities present themselves.

You have certainly been fortunate in having a very supportive and listening DC (I know your DC personally) willing to put your plan forward to THQ for consideration.Also for the Secretary for Personnel (must be the most unenviable position in any SA territory!)to listen to your story and take the proposals back to London for further discussion and possible approval by the board who then decided not to go with it.

I for one has never worried in my officership about large deficit funding in financially impossible appointments. It is the SA that makes the decision to appoint people there so they will have to pay to keep such an appointment sustainable - this has kept me sane on one or two occasions - and needed monies have always been available through approved budgets. If you feel that you have got a viable alternative ministry to give in your present inner city locality then I believe you have got the given freedom to make it happen - after all, there is not much to lose and anything different to make it happen should be welcomed. If the Army is then willing to keep funding your stay in full then the world is your oyster. This could possibly be in conjunction with the larger SA expression in your city centre rather than in isolation.

You are certainly in a predicament and it may be prudent on your part to reconsider your resignation. Acting in haste usually gives one plenty of time to repent at leisure - been there, done it, got T shirt!

My prayers are with you all just now.

ACTIVE UK

Anonymous said...

I am the writer of this post.

We are seeking to keep communication with the Army open.

Anonymous said...

I came across the below this morning while researching material for this blog site- I'm a regular visitor and contributor.

"There are people who are officers who probably shouldn't be, and people who aren't that should (be). Equally, there are people who are officers who don't know how to live out their true calling in the context of what officership has become. I am one of them. I know many others. The tide is turning, but goodness knows if the wave will just break on the sands of the institution of if we will truly become, again, a tidal force for God for the effective spreading of the Kingdom throughout the world. Challenging times."

Challenging indeed... Some research on the part of those "who don't know how to live out their true calling in the context of officership" might want to familiarize themselves with the author of the below words, written specifically with officership in mind, by an officer;

They say the fighting is too hard, my strength of small avail,
When foes beset and friends are fled, my faith must surely fail.
But, O how can I quit my post while millions sin-bound lie?
I cannot leave the dear old flag, 'twere better far to die.

Frederick St. George de Lautour Tucker wrote the words and they linked directly to his his officership commitment. In 1882 he landed at Bombay with three fellow officers to open fire; to win the souls of India's sixty million outcasts. Talk about cultural relevance… Their uniforms became the Indian fakir's saffron robes and they took Indian names, Tucker was known as Fakir Singh, the Lion of God.
Following his first term in India Frederick Tucker was promoted to the rank of Commissioner. His first wife, Louisa, died in 1887, and the following year he married Emma Booth, daughter of the Founder. In 1896 the Booth-Tuckers were appointed to the U.S.A. where seven years later Emma was killed in a train crash. He continued the work in America alone until1904. he returned to International Headquarters as Foreign Secretary. In June 1906 Booth-Tucker was married for the third time, to Colonel Minnie Reid. In 1907 they were posted to India and the following year started work among India's criminal tribes.
“In 1913 Frederick Booth-Tucker was invested with the gold medal in recognition of the years of service he had given to India. It was 1919 when Booth-Tucker returned to England, but his relationship with General Bramwell Booth had cooled greatly over the years and he never again held a senior command.”

In 1920 Frederick Booth-Tucker was honored and admitted to The Order Of The Founder. Retirement from active service came in 1924, but throughout the 1920s the Booth-Tuckers led many spiritual campaigns in Britain and Europe.

“…life is fleeting fast, I cannot, cannot wait;
For me my comrades beckoning stand beyond the pearly gate;
I hear their hallelujahs grand, I hear their battle cry:
O do not leave the dear old flag, ‘twere better far to die!”

I pray ALL will prayerfully take a step back before determining how to move into the future.

Former
UK

Anonymous said...

From Fletch's article, february 21, 2010; BLAME IT ON ANYONE BUT ME !!!
It appears that throughout these blogs we, as formers, seem to always be looking at a list of what we want the army to do to stem the tide...It seems to reflect to me the culture of the age that there is always someone else to blame.

It was said so well by ‘GenEva’ recently and reported in a response to JoAnn’s “Where is the celebration and Affirmation” Blog of the 12th Feb... General Eva Burrows preached to the Cadets last week a day before they were commissioned. Her main points were:

“5 Effective Habits of Highly Effective Officers”.

Habit 1 - Keep studying:
Always remain a student of the world around us and a student of the Bible. That way we will understand the context of mission and be able to offer the Word in a relevant way.

Habit 2 - Nurture yourself:
With devotions, with good coaches or mentors or spiritual directors. Defects in spiritual life, affects our leadership more than anything else. So have a plan for our personal spiritual development and follow it.

Habit 3 - Use your uniqueness in your ministry:
God wants us to be who he made us to be. Be who you are and do what you do best. This way you will do wonders for God’s kingdom.

Habit 4 - Exercise competence beyond your gifting:
Don’t use gifting as an excuse for not doing what is our responsibility. Learn about what we don’t know and talk with others and utilise others who can help. Don’t monopolise your ministry, but multiply it.

Habit 5 - Be a spiritual leader:
Cast vision. Have a clear and passionate focus for mission. Be ready to adjust strategies. Above all, like Jesus be a Servant Leader.

USA East

Anonymous said...

If there is a culture of age in which we always blame someone else, it will also influences higher officers, won't it?
It's seems a bit strange to me that the 5 points of someones speech has to force better tidings, to begin with the cadets?

Anonymous said...

The five habits that are listed on this blog should be followed and applied. God knows I attempted my best to follow this fundamental list. As an officer-leader I did my best to listen to the hurts and needs and apply the love of Christ to the people that God placed before me. What hurt over the years was that many times I was not treated with the same measure. Some evidently were lacking in leadership areas for whatever reasons.

My mother much wiser than I was years ago told me, "Son, sometimes it may be too much Army and not enough salvation". That is a strong statement but I found out years later after she went to be with Jesus, what she meant. I saw too much pride, attempting to impress, and edicts that at times were uncalled for. Poor leadership with very negative results was evident with little or no intervention from the hierarchy. I understand having loyalty to one another but correction and rebuke of poor leadership was and still is needed.

Basic leadership skills and management is always needed. What is lacking at times is the example of Jesus. I am speaking of The Salvation Army,not the U.S. Army. Communication, understanding and the love of Christ is needed more than ever in the area of all Christian leadership.

USA East former

Anonymous said...

Pieter wrote: "It's seems a bit strange to me that the 5 points of someone's speech has to force better tidings, to begin with the cadets?"

It seems perfectly logical that a senior officer, with experience at The SA's highest office, would address the very lowest in the chain of command, preparing the, these future leaders.

Active
USA

Anonymous said...

I agree of course.

But I doubt if doing so will have the largest impact. At least not in a hierarchical organization.

In such case role models are more important. If role models fail, a trend could be set among cadets to skip one or more from the five points because they think this to be the standard among senior leaders. One calls this culture!

These ones would "make it". Others who refused to assimilate would leave. And this way nothing might change.

So only addressing cadets could be an admission of weakness. What I try to say is that it might be more effective to "review" the few senior leaders.

I'm overdoing for the sake of my point. I hope I have made myself clear in this language.

Anonymous said...

I am a serving officer in Canada, and can see that there are inequities in the way that active officers are treated. I think that this has more to do with the personality and people skills of the DC and others in authority than it does with policy and procedure. Things in this Territory are changing, and the Army is becoming more responsive and less authoritarian.

Throughout my career I have usually felt suported and empowered by the leadership I have served under. They have listened to my needs and and calling and have supported my ministry path.

Those who didn't listen or support have been endured, knowing that it wouldn't be forever, and one of us would soon move on. Perfect? NO. But let's remember that the orgianization is made up of people who are human and fallible. I know because I'm one of them.

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