Saturday, February 15, 2014

E Marriage: For All

There have been a number of recent comments that are worth a read. Many will find them controversial while others will find the responses worthy of adding to their personal arsenal supporting either a pro or con position.

For now, we leave you with this light weight new s report as we regroup to pen our final responses scheduled for next week.


Two Michigan State University professors think that states that offer same-sex marriage should allow couples anywhere in the country to obtain a marriage license online…. Candeub and fellow researcher Mae Kuykendall are law professors at Michigan State University. They say marriage laws need to be more experimental, in ways that meet the needs of couples and the state.
"What we're arguing for is that states should formalize in their laws what they've always been doing in smaller degrees in specific areas, which is, allow people outside their states to use their laws," Candeub said.
With an "e-marriage," Candeub believes couples anywhere could go online and download their license from a state where same-sex marriage is legal. Then, they could still have their hometown ceremony with family and friends, the kiss and the cake.
Candeub says the proposal also has value for heterosexual couples, especially those deployed in the military. He argues that e-marriage could better facilitate long-distance weddings.
Still, the concept fails to change the reality that the vast majority of states refuse to recognize same-sex marriage. And online marriage could pose an economic threat to states where it is legal.
…. Candeub and Kuykendall are still tweaking their legal proposal. But they say the idea is gaining momentum. And they say they're willing to advise any legislator looking to extract their state from the culture wars of same-sex marriage and the politics of geography.


Kjell Edlund said...

Reflections from the other side of the waters...

It has been an interesting journey to follow the same-sex legislations in Sweden all the way from early -90 until to days.
And of course in my case, how churches and individual christans has responded to the "what's" and "how's" on the issues.
When the government began debating the civil laws regarding homosexuals, there were an uproar among the evangelicals. Especially from some christian politicians in parliament. From those ones there were a big NO. But the bill passed, and from -95 it was possible for gay couples till be partners legally.
When government proposed a neutral Marital law in early 20ies.... there were a BIG NO NO NO from the evangelicals.
The reactions from them: "way can't the homosexuals be settled with the civil partnership..." of which the same politicians a decade earlier said a big No...

Even Church of Sweden were at first reluctant to accept this new concept of Marriage. But after a time of deliberations they accepted, and even formed rituals in confirmation of the new situation.
It has resulted in kind of uproar, especially towards some Lutheran Churches in African countries.

In Sweden, it's quite obvious that it is the (mostly) Christians who purpose that Marriage should be a legal matter for the State, and that it should be up to the churches how to handle the ceremonials.

Is this statement triggered out of big concerns for the LGBT folks?

Well... Isn't it really only a proposal that gives them, those kind of Christians, just a legal right to reject there own members that are LGBTs?
Just wondering.

Kjell-Erik Edlund

Kjell Edlund said...

Complementary text from today's edition of one of the major newspapers in Sweden, Aftonbladet:

"Crowd against homosexuals.

 Armed with woodensticks took the crowd into the men's home in Abuja, Nigeria, Friday night. They went door to door and shouted that the area would "cleaned" from homthe Newsosexuals. 14 young men were pulled out of the mob and humiliated, according to human rights activists for the Associated Press. Four of the victims should have been brought to a police station where they should have been beaten by police officers. Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan has recently introduced stringent antigay-laws in the country. Today, a marriage between two men give 14 years in prison."

Now, it's perhaps easy for us in the West to discuss the conditions for members of the LGBT group. In our countries, because of great and big efforts made by organized LGBT groups and individuals in the past and present, made the conditions bareble for them.
You just have to take a look in the news to realize that conditions could easily be otherwise.
This is of course one of the reasons I support them, shouldn't I?
I'm sure, even the worst opponent to the LGBT cause wouldn't like to have the same conditions as in Nigeria, or worst, in Uganda or some Muslim countries were you might easily loose your life as a Gay person.

Kjell-Erik Edlund

Anonymous said...

Kjell-Erik - why don't you feel the same about the 200 million Christians who are persecuted EVERY DAY in conditions much worse that those you describe above? They are persecuted just for loving and serving the Lord. Yes, it's awful what happened to the 'gays' above, but let's get a sense of perspective here, and defend those who are doing nothing wrong except trying to live for God.
Why aren't you trying to defend THEIR cause? There's something radically wrong here.

Kjell Edlund said...

Dear Anonymous!
I try to not mix apples and pears.

If the matter of debate had been about the absolute dreadful situations for Christians actually throughout the world, not least in Syria and in some regions of Africa, you can be most sure I had responded to that.

Why is it that I'm like.... compelled to respond when it comes to LGBT, and specially in the Salvation army?
The answer is Personal Contacts.
That has forsed an evaluation of my own convictions and believes.
And - I have found it possible to be both a follower of the holly Scripture and keep my self close to Jesus, which I really need day by day and to be an advocate for a group of people that through the ages been rejected by the Church.

So please - don't mix apples and pears. Kindly
Kjell-Erik Edlund

Anonymous said...

Kjell-Erik - Apples and pears are still both fruits, and in my humble opinion the continuous, relentless suffering of persecuted Christians as a sole result of their witness for God is not less deserving than attacking a group of people who flout God's blueprint for the human race by self-indulgence. Both are wrong.
By your reply I guess you viewed this subject more conservatively when you had no 'personal contacts' involved with LGBT, and rather than try to guide them away from this world, you have chosen to water down scripture (or find a more suitable interpretation) to support it in all its murk and mire. I, too, have 'personal contacts' who are LGBT, but my interpretation of Scripture will never change, and I can only look on them with compassion and prayer. And before anyone says about this 'holier than thou' attitude, I do have my own sinful issues that both God and I are working on.

Kjell Edlund said...

Dear A...
My journey through life has not been a smooth one.
In the much younger version of Kjell-Erik, there are some that deserves regrets and shame. And yes, there were a time when my view of things were quite Black&White.
Since then I have evaluated my self due to what I have met in life, and also a bigger understanding as a result of higher education.

Those things said... I am depending on the divine love of Christ that washes my soul clean in His eyes. Day by day, allways.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, it's awful what happened to the 'gays' above, but let's get a sense of perspective here, and defend those who are doing nothing wrong except trying to live for God."

And what do you think these Nigerians did wrong to deserve such punishments -?

Please, please, save your crocodile tears for another time...they are false and wasted big time